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Bignick12345

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posted October 30, 2000 09:35 AM

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Lets just say you have your average 200 pound bodybuilder that has never used steroids, what would you say was the best cycle to begin with assuming user can get any goods needed?

Nick


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Fish

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posted October 30, 2000 09:47 AM

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sust****deca***dbol*****Winny*****Trenbolone
1000*****400****6.day
1000*****400****6.day
1000*****400****6.day
1000*****400****6.day
1000*****400****6/day
1000*****400*************450
1000*****300*************450
750*****200*************450******75mg eod
500*********************450******75mg eod*******clen
clomid 100mg.day********300******75mg eod*******clen
clomid 100mg.day********300*****75mg eod********clen
clomid 50mg.day*********150******75mg eod*******eca
clomid 50mg.day******************75mg eod*******eca


as well clomid eod during whole cycle, the deca shot once a week the sust
shot every 3 days (500mg), and the dbol take EVERY 4 HOURS including
nightime. The winny shot every day and the tren every other day (eod). The
clen take tabs until you shake like a mofo then back off 1/2 tab. stop the
clen when you body tempereature goes back to normal, then start eca.


This is E2's cycle

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gonnabehuge

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posted October 30, 2000 09:51 AM

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Bro... i would suggest something simple
like maybe Sustenon only at about 500mg per week or Sust/dbol because the dbol will give you a lift while the sust builds up (about 4 weeks). Or if you can afford it sust and deca
500mg/300mg or 500/400mg. Just remember you don't want to go whole hog in terms of drugs or dosages because you will have a tougher time growing on your next cycle. (you'll need higher dosages etc.)
Mike

[This message has been edited by gonnabehuge (edited October 30, 2000).]


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Fish

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posted October 30, 2000 09:59 AM

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I would also suggest reading here for a while and making your own cycle. Don't rush into this.

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Bignick12345

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posted October 30, 2000 10:05 AM

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Ive been here for quite a while. It's jsut that everyone has an opinion on cycle format. Some swear that you can use 250 mgs on your first cycle. OThers say you need 750 mgs of test per week to grow good, and its your first cycle and best so make use. Just want to get everyones opinion on the best first cycle for most growth.
Nick


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bigmann245

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posted October 30, 2000 10:14 AM

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my first cycle was Fina alone @ 150mg EOD for about 4 months. now im on 500mg Sust/week and 150mg Fina EOD. im on my second week of that and i hope i get some good results after 10 weeks. the Fina worked wonders for me now i want to start adding a little size. im 6'1" 275lbs @ about 19%BF i was @ 31% thats with the calipers at the gym with a personal trainer. the lowest weight i got to was 259lbs i was 297lbs when i started. believe me if you do it right you will get to your goal. good luck bro..


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Badkins21

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posted October 30, 2000 11:35 AM

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Start simple--although Fish's (E2's) cycle would be f*ckin' incredible, you might react to way less drugs, and lower doses, and that will save you money and some risk in the long run...start with 2-3 drugs tops--I'm on my first of eq and dbol...read my update, it's only a few threads down...good luck, e-mail me if you've got any specific questions, I'd be happy to help!

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DYLAN

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posted October 30, 2000 01:18 PM

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Fish is crazy.
D.


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DRRman

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posted October 30, 2000 01:41 PM

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bro, if you really want the most, do something like fish mentioned, you'll never grow on another cycle like you will on this first one! It all depends on how big you want to get!! I personally like the cycle fish posted though. Shit, anything under 1500mg test per week to me now is useless!!


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LittleSavage34

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posted October 30, 2000 02:11 PM

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Fish's cycle isn't bad, but if you do go with that, drop the test down to 500 or 750 until you figure out your body. Or, you could try:

Week 1-4
Fina - 75mg EOD
Sust - 500/750 mg

Week 5-9
Dbol - 9/day
Sust - 500/750 mg

Take Clomid respectively...and keep Nolva around, too. Enjoy!


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Hacker

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posted October 30, 2000 02:31 PM

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Nick, you never really told us what your goals are. Fish's cycle is a tad much for a first cycle IMO. All depends what you want. Bulk, cut, etc..


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Bignick12345

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posted October 30, 2000 02:35 PM

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Its my first cycle. I want to gain as much mass and strength as possible.
Nick


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Fish

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posted October 30, 2000 02:41 PM

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quote:
Originally posted by Bignick12345:
Its my first cycle. I want to gain as much mass and strength as possible.
Nick

Then E2's is a good cycle.

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Hacker

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posted October 30, 2000 02:51 PM

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I would only do the sus at 500mg/week (no need to taper) and taper the d'bol.


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Bignick12345

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posted October 30, 2000 03:10 PM

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bump


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Bignick12345

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posted October 31, 2000 07:49 AM

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bump


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rainhorn

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posted October 31, 2000 08:45 AM

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Fish,this is a killer one but i like it .


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The Shadow

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posted October 31, 2000 08:56 AM

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Bignick - go fishin'

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Every morning in Africa, a gazelle wakes up. It realizes that it must run faster than the fastest lion or it will be killed.
Every morning in Africa, a lion wakes up. It realizes that it must run faster than the slowest gazelle, or it will starve to death.

The moral?

It doesn't matter whether you are a lion or a gazelle, when the sun comes up - you had better be running.


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Vovan

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posted October 31, 2000 09:23 AM

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1 gram of test a week kinda too much for first timer...

simple first-time-user bulking cycle:

****omna***deca***dbol***clomid
1***500****400****35ed
2***500****400****35ed
3***500****400****35ed
4***500****400****25ed
5***500****400****15ed
6***500****400
7***500****300
8***500****200
9*************
10***********************100ed
11***********************100ed
12***********************50ed


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