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Scooter

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posted October 29, 2000 12:43 AM

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Dammit! First of all I had to write this damn thing twice...and it is long! Tried submitting once with wrong password, went back, and it was all GONE....shit

Down to business...

I have heard conflicting views on whether Anavar and Primo will supress testosterone production at moderate doses (30 mg/day Anavar 300 mg/week Primo) Perhaps some experienced users can shed some light. My specific question is as follows:

Lets say (hypothetically of course, because Steroids are BAD) you are at the end of a typical Dbol/Sust/Eq Cycle (25mg/day 5 weeks only/500mg/400mg) Lets also assume you have done Arimidex at 1/2 mg EOD. The typical thing would be to start the Clomid 10 days after last Sust shot and go 7 days 100mg ED and then 14 days 50 mg ED to get your boys back in action and prevent crash losses.

Since Anavar and Primo (at the doses noted above) are not supposed to inhibit test production, why not start a 6 week cycle of Anavar/Primo right after the last Sust shot. Here's the kicker....still start the Clomid 10 days after the last Sust shot.

If Primo/Anavar do not supress Test, shouldn't they conversely allow you to start Test production up again. This would essentially be a 14 week cycle with the Clomid jump start in WEEK 10. Aside from leaving you broke, shouldn't a cycle like this be great for keeping size and strength gains?

Any comments from knowledgeable bros are appreciated.

Heck...even if you don't know what you are talking about thanks in advance for the responses.


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ulter

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posted October 29, 2000 12:49 AM

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scooter I am going to be bold and say I know what I am talking about. Taking Oxandrolone as you are suggesting for a "bridge" or to prolong your cycle while getting the benefit of your returning natural test, is a great idea I know because I do it myself.


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lawnsaver

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posted October 29, 2000 12:54 AM

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Would a good bridge be primo 300mg a week with 50mg of clomid ed for 8 weeks? Would my natural test be back? Ulter what did you do?


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Zeacky

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posted October 29, 2000 12:56 AM

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I concur!

Instead of the primo I would take the oxandrolone to 50 mg per day to use as a bridge between heavy androgens.

Hay, ulter have you seen my post on Arimidex increasing surem T levels by 58% on he select board?

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Scooter

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posted October 29, 2000 01:03 AM

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Ulter,

Thanks for the quick reply. So you have found that natural Test production can be permanently started back up while on mild "bridging" compounds like Anavar / Primo?


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ulter

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posted October 29, 2000 01:03 AM

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I have now.


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ulter

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posted October 29, 2000 01:07 AM

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Sorry didn't see you there scooter. Yes. I use Ox, I can't comment on primo. If you take the Ox after your injectables are finished, you're natural test will come back as though you weren't taking anything because the Ox doesn't impair your HPTA function.


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Scooter

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posted October 29, 2000 01:14 AM

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Ulter,

Ox sounds better and better all the time....

How long do you run the Ox for after you finish up the mass building part of the cycle?
Do you continue to gain strength?
Has this helped you to keep gains?
Finally, do you use original SPA or other?


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ulter

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posted October 29, 2000 01:19 AM

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How long do you run the Ox for after you finish up the mass building part of the cycle? 30 days
Do you continue to gain strength? Yes a lot
Has this helped you to keep gains? Of course that's why you take it.
Finally, do you use original SPA or other? BTG


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The_Natural

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posted October 29, 2000 01:55 PM

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Anyone, do u prefer the anavar to the primo solely based on the strength increases or does it have othe advantages over primo? thx


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Zeacky

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posted October 29, 2000 03:52 PM

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shiaza ulter, you be takin OXANDRIN?

That's like 4 bucks for 2.5 mg, legit!

If you guys ever need a loan, ulter is the man to ask... he he he

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ulter

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posted October 29, 2000 04:20 PM

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What do mean? I only pay .08/tab heh heh


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thefantom1

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posted October 29, 2000 09:41 PM

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30 mg a day of anavar..thats 12 tabs a day..thats a total of 360 tabs... The price I have seen is 140 bucks for 100 tabs.. so you would have to buy 400 tabs at a cost of 560 bucks to bridge your cycle.... way too steep for me... That would cost more than the sust/dbol/clo and nov all together for a cycle.. Just too damned expensive.... Wish someone would make this stuff cheaper...

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Scooter

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posted October 30, 2000 02:09 AM

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Thanks for the replies...and confirming that using Ox (or even Primo) to keep you pumped while your natural test comes back will work.

Seems like the only way to go...if you can afford it. I would probably opt for the Ox only.

I think doing both Ox and Primo might be a waste as they both act through stong bonding with AR's and you might not get the benifit of both. Besides, after 8 weeks of Sust/EQ at 500/400mg your ass will be too sore for more pins.

So now I am thinking of a (1st!) Cycle for 9-12 months from now that will might look like this:

Week/Compound/Dose:
1-5/DBOL/25 mg (taper to 15 mg week 5)
1-8/Sust/500mg
1-8/EQ/400mg
9-13/Oxandrolone/30mg ED
3-11/Arimidex/.50mg EOD
10-12/Clomid/100mg ED 7 days then 50 mg ED

Thoughts on above: DBOL to jump start. EQ because I do not know if I might be progesterone gyno prone, and to make me EAT, and Arimidex can stop "std" gyno cold. Arimidex to keep water down and be safe. Clomid to start things back up again 10 days after last sust shot. Ox of course to solidify gains while natural test is coming back.

So the final question for the vets is if you could go back and do it again, would you consider this to be a worthy 1st cycle?

(My info: 31 years, 5'-10" 178# (up from natural 160# 9 months ago))


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ulter

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posted October 30, 2000 09:12 AM

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Good to Go.


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