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Not easy for me to do but it has to be done.
"EAT BIG TO GET BIG"

It's about test-only cycles, and other things. It was written for beginners/novices - the advice is not meant for people who are already experienced juicers. Also, please take anything written there with a grain of salt. It was meant to be slightly provoking, and was written as sort of a counter reaction to the prevailing line of thought at that time - that every beginner should start out with tiny amounts of mild steroids, and not even dare thinking about "hard and dangerous" stuff like testosterone...
Anyway, here goes:

Subject: Cycling advice for those interested
Almost every day this board gets at least one request for evaluation
of a cycle, or even requests to set up entire cycles. The same questions
are often asked
time and time again. This is an attempt to set up some general guidelines on how to construct a sound cycle, and hopefully the guidelines will apply to both newbies and more advanced users, and my goal is that after reading this post even a complete beginner will
be able to set up a reasonable proposal for a cycle.
Since I'm far from an expert or authority on steroid use, I'm hoping that
other experienced users will add their 2 cents to what I write, in case
there's something in my post that doesn't make sense.
I thought I'd start the post off with some general guidelines applying to
all sorts of cycles, then continue with some more specific advice on different
cycles and
different stacks later on.
My rule no 1 in steroid cycling, is _always_ include testosterone in your
stack! Doesn't matter if it's a bulking cycle, a cutting cycle, a strength
cycle, whatever - testo
should _always_ be included! First of all, testo is the greatest massbuilder
you'll ever find, and being a natural hormone, and an injectable, it carries
fewer side effects
than most steroids. Second of all, and this is perhaps more important; _all_
steroids shut down your HPT (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular) axis, meaning
your body
won't produce testosterone anymore. Testosterone is not only good for building
muscle, it's also a necessity for proper brain function, among other factors.
Therefore, even if you for some reason don't want to use large amounts of
testo, you should at least include 100-200 mg week to your stack, just to
keep your brain
functioning like it's supposed to.
My rule no 2; if you're gonna juice, do it properly! I'm so sick of all
these half-hearted "cycles" I see suggested on all the boards. 250 mg of
this, 100 mg of that, and
that's it, then when the cycle's done they sit there wondering why the hell
they didn't get any results. If you think there's much of a difference in
terms of side effects in
doing 500 mg testo or 1000 mg testo/week (or 2000 for that matter), you're
in for a big surprise!! There's hardly any difference at all. The main difference
is in the
results you see. Forget all the crap you hear about 250 mg sust/week is
all you need if you're a beginner, or "a beginner will grow on just about
anything". Truth is a
beginner to _weight-training_ will grow on just about anything, but a beginner
to weight training shouldn't be juicing in the first place! A steroid novice
should have
enough years of decent hard weight training under his belt to ensure he
has enough mass that 250 mg sust won't do jack shit to him!
Rule no 3; don't make things more complicated than necessary. When creating
a cycle, don't think you need to throw in as many different steroids as
possible in
order to get results. Let me present an example. All the time I see guys
proposing cycles that look something like this:
500 mg testo/week,
200 mg deca/week
40 mg dbol/day.
I ask myself, what's the point of the deca and the dbol in that stack? The
only advantage deca offers is it's low androgenic, which might come in handy
for girls or
other persons who for some reason is concerned about their cycle not being
androgenic, but when you're using testo and dbol in the same stack, I doubt
you're
worried about androgenism, so what's the point of the deca? It's a poor
mass builder, it's expensive, and it's not even that low in side effects.
Next question, what's the point of the dbol in this stack? Presumably it's
there because it's a good mass builder (which it is), _but_ remember dbol
carries more side
effects than testo, so unless you're allready using so much testo that adding
more is impractical, I see no need to use dbol, when all you need to do
instead is simply
up the testo dosages! Much healthier that way, and the results are the same.
So my proposed stack for the individual wanting to do the stack above, would
be simply something like this:
1250 mg testo/week
Nothing more complicated than that!
Rule no 4; don't make the cycle too short. All the time I see people doing
cycles in that last 5-6 weeks, or it last 8 weeks, but for the last three
of those eight weeks
all they use is like 200 mg primo/week, and no testo, cause they ended that
in week 4 or something. Their argument for this is usually; "well, on my
first cycle I
gained nothing after the 4th week, so I thought this time I could just as
well end the cycle at that point". This reveals at least two misconceptions,
first, if you gained
nothing after the 4th week in your cycle, your cycle was constructed wrong!
Simple as that! More than likely you started tapering down way too quickly.
Second,
just because you don't gain any additional body weight doesn't mean you're
not still building muscle. As you taper off your cycle, and your stack becomes
less
androgenic, the amount of water retention in your body will decline. If
your body weight stays the same while your water retention declines, that's
gotta mean your
either gaining fat weight, or pure muscle weight. Chances are it's muscle!
What you will find if you end the cycle after 4-5 weeks, is you lose a lot
more muscle than
you would have if you did a longer cycle with a better taper.
A proper length for a cycle the way I see it is at least 8-12 weeks.
Rule no 5; forget about tapering up! Some people like to do cycles where
they start off mild then increase their dosages in a pyramid fashion, then
decrease them
again as they approach the end of the cycle. Usually they do this in a fashion
that ensures they'll have sufficient amounts of steroids for mass building
purposes in their
system only for a few weeks in the middle of their cycle, and surprise surprise!
these people usually report to be making gains only for like 2 or three
weeks out of
their total 8-10 weeks on the juice. That's not a good way to be doing a
cycle in my opinion. Start off with a good decent dosage, that you know
will yield you good
gains right from the start. You can still increase your dosages at some
point in your cycle if you feel you're no longer gaining like you want to
make though, the point
is just you will no longer be doing weeks of ridiculously low dosages that
yields no gains at all.
Rule no 6; choose the right steroids.
Mass cycle: if you're a beginner, testo is all you need! If you weigh 220
or more, start off with 1000 mg testo/week, and keep it there for 8 weeks.
Do one week at
500 mg and call it a day (of course you'll be using clomid after that, or
better yet, throughout the entire cycle). If you're more advanced, you can
add other stuff, like
anadrol, dbol, halo, trenbolone, etc., but remember, like I said earlier,
it makes no sense to add anything at all if you're not already maxing out
on the testo dosages!!
That means 1000 mg +/week people!
Don't include the following steroids into your mass cycle, unless you have
too much money you want to waste:
primo, winny, deca, andriol, eq, and probably a few others I've forgotten.
Strength cycle; here it's important to know if the goal is to add strength
but little or no body weight, or if it's simply a bodybuilding cycle with
emphasis on strength. If
it's the latter you may just as well turn to the advice above, on mass cycles,
cause the drugs mentioned there are the best for strength _and_ size gains,
period!
If you don't want to add body weight, you must look into stuff like trenbolone,
halo, maybe methyltest, but you still need to include a little testo, like
explained above.
Cutting cycle; too boring!! I hate dieting and have never done a cutting
cycle in my life. Ask someone else! haha
OK, that's it. Hopefully someone will have some sensible things to add to this, and hopefully someone will disagree with me.
Yeah, btw almost forgot; if you're interested in _real_ gains; forget about
cycling!!

Painkiller, I'd agree with a lot of what you said but not all of it. You asked why people bother with deca. I personally do not use it anymore due to deca dick. When I did use it I found it really helpful with joint soreness. No other steroid does this as far as I know. Now I have to suffer more as I'd rather have that than no sex.
D-bol can work well with test due to its synergystic effects just as deca. After week four people simply don't grow as rapidly sometimes because their receptors start to become saturated, which is why I am planning to try out a short cycle next time. I know there's a lot of controversy about short cycles at the moment, but I've done a lot of research on them and need to try for myself.
I'd agree with you on starting off high though. At the start of your course your receptors are most responsive so I believe in hitting them hard, rather than letting them get saturated and then increasing.

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Originally posted by strengthmonster:
If you're gonna use any steroid by itself, I'd say that sus is one of the best to do it with. It's blend of four diferent esters is like doing a stack anyway although there is no synergystic effect as they are all forms of test. It just means you are getting fast and longer acting test at the same time. It keeps your levels a lot smoother throughout your couse rather than having peaks and troughs in it.

Painkiller, I'd agree with a lot of what you said but not all of it. You asked why people bother with deca. I personally do not use it anymore due to deca dick. When I did use it I found it really helpful with joint soreness. No other steroid does this as far as I know. Now I have to suffer more as I'd rather have that than no sex.
D-bol can work well with test due to its synergystic effects just as deca. After week four people simply don't grow as rapidly sometimes because their receptors start to become saturated, which is why I am planning to try out a short cycle next time. I know there's a lot of controversy about short cycles at the moment, but I've done a lot of research on them and need to try for myself.
I'd agree with you on starting off high though. At the start of your course your receptors are most responsive so I believe in hitting them hard, rather than letting them get saturated and then increasing.

It's good that you are prepared to receive constructive criticism as you stated and I hope I have helped you without flaming. You seem like someone who does his research and accepts that nobody knows everything, just like me. If we did we wouldn't be here would we, we'd be kneeling down in tears watching Ronnie get 2nd place!

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First...Also, please take anything written there with a grain of salt. It was meant to be slightly provoking...
everybody is different...thank god for that!!! It's not written by me, it's written by a "friend"

Second...Sustanon: The "king" of testosterone blends.
The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate. You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). Were enanthate to be available for say $10 per amp of 250mg, buying the Sustanon would be like throwing money away. If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down.
Primoteston rules!!!!!