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Elite Bodybuilder 
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can get some for a decent price (100mg tabs) i know that it can completely supress your estrogen, so i was wondering how you would compare its effectiveness to arimidex. anyone used it and what doses are recommend. ------------------     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 336 |
bump--would like to know too!hehe ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 239 |
i'd like to know this too. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 770 |
Just a word of caution: Cytadren not only inhibits aromatase (estrogen production) but also cortisol production. Therefore, if you already have sore joints, it is probably not the best anti-e for you. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 314 |
Armidex is far more effective. You'd have to take quite a bit of cytadryn to equal 1mg of Armidex, and the amount would supress cortisol also, which is tricky. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
so would you also take proviron and nolva over cytadren, cause i can get all three at a decent price i just thought cytadren would be better than the other two mentioned, dont know cause i never tried cytadren.. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 438 |
Cytadren is an effective aromatase inhibitor. I am sorry, but offhand I can't remember the correct dosaging for best results, but Bill Roberts was the one that wrote on this topic. I think his article can be found at Mesomorphosis.com. At higher doses, it starts inhibiting desmolase which suppresses cortisol production, as well as the other sex hormones. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 79 |
What's wrong (other than sore joints) with lowered cortisol? Isn't that a good thing as it will reduce catabolism? That's why people were taking cytadren in the first place. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
bump ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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The problem with reduced cortisol is that your body will produce more ACTH, which causes your body to make more cortisol, and when you go off cytadryn, you will have a rebound effect of excessive cortisol and muscle loss will result. If you stay on cytadryn too long, you will permenantly stop your body's production of cortisol. This drug is also responsible for the death of Andreas Munzer, because he had some cysts burst in his liver, and when he was operated on, his blood couldn't clot because he had no cortisol in his system. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 294 |
Cytadren is an inhibitor of adrenocortical steroid synthesis which leads to a reduction in production of estrogens and androgens via stopping conversion of cholesterol to pregnenolone. This is very interesting here because while it is definately an anti-estrogen by stopping production of the 5-ar enzyme working through hydroxylations, but it may also inhibit production of normal testosterone! It may be at a higher dose than the 250mg a day that we use to stop aromatization, but if it is, as I suspect, working to some degree to eliminate natural test production then this makes the Gufus (pronounced �goof-oos') look really dumb! They are stating that you can keep testicular function going with the use of a drug that stops dead the precursor to testosterone production! Can you say, �TOTALLY INEPT! This does not even address the information to come on hypothalamus suppression via high doses and alternate mechanisms. writen by: The_Blond_Myth also : https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/wwwboard/1760.html https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/04-2000/008204.html https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/07-2000/021985.html https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/wwwboard/2129.html GET BIG. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
so your saying its more trouble than its worth????/ ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
so what would be better besides arimidex???? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
so are you guys telling me to write off CYTADREN??????? ------------------ | ||
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Guru 
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Its just a little tricky to use bro.Proviron and nolvadex combined will do a nice job at reducing estrogen,without severely screwing with your cortisol levels.They wont be as effective as arimidex,but they will do a nice job.20mgs/daily of nolvadex,combined with 50mgs/daily proviron will work quite nicely. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1551 |
Cytadren is an effective aromatase inhibitor, however it has many side effects not the least of which is that it interferes with thyroid gland- How it does this is unknown to me--- however it is clearly stated in ciba's own research packet and readily apparent in real world use. peace ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 314 |
It is also very liver toxic. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 79 |
Firstly, why does it matter that Cytadren supresses test production??? You are using it as an anti-aromatase, so that asumes you're on significant amounts of androgenic (easily aromatising) steroids anyway!!!! It only takes 72 hours for the adrenal cortex to return to normal after the cessation of use. As far as the ACTH is concerned, that doesn't make sense to me. So what if ACTH is elevated! If the adrenal cortex is shut down you can't make cortisol, period. I understand what you;re saying about coming off, but it's well known that steroids block cortisol receptors so unless you're stupid enough to come off both at the same time, it doesn't matter!!!! I know the package insert says that they documented the paradoxical increase in cortisol but look at the dosages they are taking! The dosage for anti=aromatisation will not be high enough to lower cortisol enough to cause a feedback. Fact is, I used cytadren for months straight and got great results with no problems. It even helps me sleep better. My advice is go for it. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
yeah i think im going to, i wasnt going to overdue it, just wanted to add some in since ill be (on) for a good while, i need to find out when is its optimal time in a cycle, cause im not coming off, im at least going to do three hard cycles back to back, strength winny/prop/drol, then lots test-to bulk, then cutting dnp--fina/eq.... WHEN WOULD BE THE BEST TIME TO APPLY, IM THINKING TOWARDS THE MIDDLE-END OF FIRST CYCLE????? shit sorry for caps!!! ..im@LRG [This message has been edited by @LRG (edited October 28, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
what are the doses to take??? are they weight dependent, im hovering down around 200lbs right now at 5'10" small-medium size bone frame. i really apprecaite the replies i gotten, ive bumped alot but wanted different views!!!thanks ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
i figure tons of clomid, some cytadren, and maybe a little of proviron or nolva and i should be good to go w/ my usage--right!?!?!?!? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 314 |
Doses depend on if your just trying to use it for anti-aromitase purposes, or to supress cortisol. If using it for anti-estrogen, take half tab opon rising, 1/4 tab 6 hours later, then 1/4 tab six hours after that. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 14 |
Cytadren blocks hydroxylations at several critical points.. its initial use was Cushing's disease which is an overproduction of cortisol. it does block testesosterone production, as well as interference with mineral corticoid steroids such as aldosterone, and glucocorticoids like cortisol. it is an effective aromatase inhibitor becuase it basically spanks the whole entire steroid biosynthesis pathway. arimidex is specific for aromatase, its primary use is in cancers dependent on estrogens. women manufacture estrogen through aromatase as well, although there is some peripheral conversion in the adipose tissue as well.. hope that helps. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 79 |
For cytadren, as an anti-aromatase, 1 to 2 tabs a day divided into 2 doses. As a cortisol inhibitor, 5 - 7 tabs a day. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 44 |
only thing i know about cytroden is that it was one of the reasons andres munzer (refer to get huge post) died from internal bleeding when al his internal organs melted on him .lack of cortisol... hmn... death..now there is a novel thought for estrogen supression, heart beat suppression, live suppression...no thanx! LOL |
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posted October 25, 2000 05:24 PM