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 CHRYSIN DELUXE?!
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Does that shit actually help? Does it compete for receptors like Nolvadex. You still need clomid anyway to get your nuts kicking again, right?     | ||
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Cool Novice 
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I want to know this also. Does that shit actually work to prevent estrogenic sides. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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BUMP...I'd like to see what the mods have to say about this...they don't get paid by Elite (I don't think) so I'd be curious to see if they bash the stuff! ------------------ | ||
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Novice 
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Bump | ||
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Moderator 
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Chrysin is a flavonoid recognized as being the most powerful naturally occurring anti-estrogen available today. It is extracted from a plant called "Passiflora Caerulea" that has been shown to be the most potent of the naturally occurring flavonoids. In fact, chrysin is as potent as the respected anti-estrogen drug aminogluthemide. There are many different types of flavonoids with varying biological activities. What a great number of flavonoids have in common is their ability to selectively inhibit certain enzymes. Our discussion begins with the flavonoid chrysin and its role of blocking the process of the aromatase enzyme, which is responsible for estrogen conversion in men. Back in May 1996, respected steroid guru Dan Duchaine wrote about a newly discovered flavone, which at the time was called Flavone X. Dan described Flavone X as a powerful anti-estrogen testosterone booster. The article's glowing praise of the unnamed flavone created quite a stir in the bodybuilding community and everyone wanted to know which of the flavones was this mysterious "Flavone X." Why did Dan see the need for secrecy? Probably because the supplement company EAS was in the process of applying for a use patent on the flavone which would have given them exclusive rights to sell the most powerful, naturally-occurring anti-estrogen ever discovered at a huge profit. However, someone in their organization leaked the name of the flavone, and the world found out that the mysterious "Flavone X" was actually a flavonoid called chrysin. The flavonoid chrysin works to boost and preserve testosterone in two ways. First through its anti-aromatase function and second by eliminating estrogen's negative feedback loop. Aromatase or estrogen synthetase is what is known as the conversion of testosterone into estrogen through the aromatase enzyme. Chrysin blocks the aromatase enzyme from converting testosterone into estrogen allowing testosterone levels to remain high. By stopping the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen chrysin also encourages your body to produce more testosterone by eliminating the so-called "negative feedback" loop that would otherwise signal your body to stop or slow natural testosterone production. Your body uses estrogen levels as a sort of test to decide how much testosterone to produce. High estrogen levels means the testes will slow down or stop the production of testosterone. Low estrogen levels means it is time to turn up testosterone production. So, by reducing estrogen levels, chrysin fools the testes into producing more of mother nature's favorite anabolic hormone-TESTOSTERONE. The elimination of the negative feedback loop, together with chrysin's anti-aromatase testosterone sparing effect, makes it doubly effective as a testosterone booster. Research suggests chrysin's anti-aromatase function prevents estrogenic side effects so often associated with the use of androgenic steroids and heavy doses of some steroid precursors. High estrogen levels are commonly associated with androgenic drug and supplement use. Excess testosterone is quickly converted to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. This excess estrogen can adversely effect the physique by causing gynecomastia, the growth of breast tissue in males--you don't want this to happen because it usually takes surgery to fix. Estrogen also increases water retention under the skin giving you a soft, flat look. | ||
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Moderator
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it works like Armidex does by preventing Aromatization via Aromatize Enzyme inhibition. It works well, the only flaw is absorbtion. a lot of the stuff gets lost in the digestive track. I good alternative if you ask me. [This message has been edited by BIG RICK ROCK (edited October 25, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
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Does anyone feel that it is anyhwere near as effective as armidex. I know I wouldnt trust it. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Would anyone actually use this instead of clomid/nolvadex/arimidex??? Seriously??? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I used it a few months back and just in the nick of time. I was trying a test cycle without Nolva -- because I couldn't get any and I got really sensitive nips. I am convinced the MQ product prevented me from getting gyno. Later, | ||
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Cool Novice
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Would you use it only when symptoms seem to be occuring like others or through out a cycle?? | ||
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Administrator     
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I personally use it both on cycle and off as it is both anabolic and non-hormonal. It keeps your natural test levels high and estrogen levels low. I also appreciate the calming effect. ------------------ George George Spellwin Tell your friends about elitefitness.com! You could win 30lbs. of Mass Quantities Triple Threat 3/60 Protein! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 222 |
How about down regulation of its use after a period of time or can you use it all the time, also any health concerns using it all the time? once a day or divided, with meals without? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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Well what makes this product better than say twin lab brand??? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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The one problem with many of the flavonoids, isoflavones, etc. is their lack of specificity towards the enzymatic systems. While they may be great at say inhibiting aromatase, they often affect hormonal synthesis of test or increase its metabolism. I am not stating that this is the case with chrysin, there is just little research on this flavonoid. | ||
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Guru
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George, How do your supplements differ from products such as ProPerformance form GNC and others. What type of teseting is done. Case studies such as peoples results when using them and the results compared to others who don't. Are their any controlled studies that have been done? Also the prices in which you have are very competitive for the individual person but perhaps someone would like to purchase in bulk would their be any deals which could be given. I'm just interested in your products. My brother likes them and has let me try your new 3/60 its not bad and is chalk full of the good stuff any good receipes to use with your mrp's. Thanks for any info you can give. Jay ------------------ Lift | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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So would anyone use this instead of Nolva/clomiD?! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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GRORGE: i'm interested to know how do you compare his affactivenes (not cost) but plain work to arimedex ? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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I have a hard, HARD time believing that any supplement can come close to producing the same estrogen negating effects as something like arimidex or even nolvadex. Cockdezl pretty much stated why. Plus I have never gotten any results from supplements that I consider "drug-like" with the exception of Tribestan. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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BUMP... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I'm interested in hearing more about this. Is it an anti-aromatase and/or anti-estrogen? I'm a little confused as to whether it is one or the both. Should it, or could it be substituted for clomid/Nolv etc? Like Proviron is anti-aromatse and Clomid is Anti-estrogen. So should clomid and or Nolv be used in conjuntion with Chrysin? ------------------ Rock On! | ||
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Administrator
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quote: I believe that Twin Lab makes good supplements. When I say a supplement company is "good", I mean that they are true to their label claim. In other words, what is on the label is in the bottle. Believe me, there are few supplement companies that are true to their label claim. I do not know for sure, but I do not believe that Twin Lab's product contains Diadzein does it? ------------------ George George Spellwin Tell your friends about elitefitness.com! You could win 30lbs. of Mass Quantities Triple Threat 3/60 Protein! | ||
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Administrator
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quote: BigJ81, We try to focus on Value. We are not the cheapest nor the most expensive. I do not know about GNC's products, but we offer: An Unconditional Money Back Guarantee I will post the Chrysin test here: To my knowledge, there have not been any controlled studies on Humans, but there have been on animals. I reference a Diadzein study in my article. I take the 3/60 MRP with soy milk and it tastes great. What I like about it is that it does not need to be doctored to be good. I appreciate your interest in Mass Quantities. ------------------ George George Spellwin Tell your friends about elitefitness.com! You could win 30lbs. of Mass Quantities Triple Threat 3/60 Protein! | ||
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Administrator
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quote: In all honestly, I would not be able to say which is better. Both are effective, so I recommend using both. I am certainly not going to say that drugs are not good, you guys know me by now But, I will say that people tend to be biased against supplements here, when many can be very effective. Also, it drives me crazy, when bodybuilders do not use an anti-estrogen because they claim they cannot find one. How silly is that. ------------------ George George Spellwin Tell your friends about elitefitness.com! You could win 30lbs. of Mass Quantities Triple Threat 3/60 Protein! [This message has been edited by George Spellwin (edited October 26, 2000).] | ||
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Moderator
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I would say that in effectiveness Chrysin would go toe to toe with Armidex HOWEVER, Armidex is not naturaly occuring it is a chemical it will make it thru digestion untouched, while Chrysing being plant based will runs a greater chance of getting broken down during digestion. Plus the problem with Chrysin is that people don't take enought you ashould take between 1g-2g a day. When science find a way to make Chrysin get thru the digestive system untouched then I think 2g of Chrysin will blow away a standard 1mg tab of Armidex. Like I said earlyer LPC and Flax Seed Oil will help in absorbtion, Plus at $7 to $10 for ONE tab of Armidex your wallet will suffer, I would much rathe spend those $10 in an extra Amp of SUST. Just my opinion. | ||
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Moderator
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Bump for BigJay. | ||
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Guru
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Thanks for the reply | ||
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Cool Novice
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Can it be used instead of clomid or would you need both? | ||
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Novice
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Just wondering, how does this product comepare to the product made by EarthLink Science "Anit Estro"? Do i still need clomid and novadex if i use a product like yours or Earthlinks? ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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posted October 25, 2000 12:13 PM
