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Dr. Ross

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posted October 25, 2000 08:31 AM

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Now please dont say that I havent done that much research on clomid because I have searched all of the old post. Because everyone is just saying that you need to take clomid with your cycles. But what I am wanting to know why do you have to take this all the research I have found have to do with estrogen and all of that. Please help!!! If I need to be taking this I need to know.


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The Shadow

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posted October 25, 2000 09:25 AM

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Clomid is not a good anti-estrogen. Stick to Nolvadex for that purpose. Clomid is used during (a long cycle) or at the end of a cycle to jump start LH production in the testes.


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hayesjones

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posted October 25, 2000 09:54 AM

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the shadow knows!

alot of people take it during their cycle so they get the added benefit of having their natural testerone working for them along with their "hormones" their taking. Like the shadow says its usually the people who stay on longer periods...fuck..even short periods. I personally start 2weeks from the end(depending what Im taking) and go about 2 weeks after.


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rainhorn

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posted October 25, 2000 10:06 AM

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as i read from your post: https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/034970.html
if you refering to this type of cyc,then you do need clomid.

also check this: https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/10-2000/032236.html https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/03-2000/005877.html
GET BIG.



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KODIAK99

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posted October 25, 2000 10:53 AM

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Clomid is a brand name for the drug clomiphene citrate. It is typically prescribed for women to aid in ovulation. In men, the application of Clomid causes an elevation of follicle stimulating hormone and luteinizing hormone. As a result, natural testosterone production is also increased. This effect is obviously beneficial to the athlete, especially at the conclusion of a cycle when endogenous testosterone levels are subnormal. When an athlete discontinues the use of steroids, his testosterone levels will most likely be suppressed. If endogenous testosterone levels are not brought to normal, a dramatic loss in size and strength may occur. Clomid plays a crucial role in preventing this crash in athletic performance. Bodybuilders find that a daily intake of 50-100 mg of clomiphene citrate over a two week period will bring endogenous testosterone production back to an acceptable level.Clomid will gradually raise testosterone levels over its period of intake. Since an immediate boost in testosterone is often desirable, athlete will commonly use HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) for a couple of weeks, and the continue treatment with Clomid. Clomid is also effective as an anti-estrogen. Most athletes will suffer from an elevated estrogen level at the conclusion of a cycle. A high estrogen level combined with a low testosterone level puts an athlete in serious risk of developing gynocomastia. With the intake of Clomid, the athlete gets the dual effect of blocking out some of the effects of estrogen, while also increasing endogenous testosterone production. In relation to toxicity and side effects, Clomid is considered a fairly safe drug. Bodybuilders seldom experience any problems, but possible side effects include hot flashes and temporary blurred vision. Clomiphene citrate is widely available on the black market. Until recently, it was relatively easy to get through foreign mail order. However, since the DEA is playing an active role in pursuing mail-order operations catering to athletes, Clomid is becoming harder to obtain. Current prices are between $2-$4 per 50 mg tab. Generics such as Clomiphene citrate by Anfarm in Greece are frequently seen on the black market and can be purchased for about $1 a tab.

Nolvadex is a brand name for the drug tamoxifen citrate, a nonsteroidal agent which demonstrates potent antiestrogenic properties. These antiestrogenic effects are due to its ability to compete with estrogen for binding sites in target tissues such as in the breast. Medically, the effects of this drug make it very useful in breast cancer patients. Male bodybuilders however, find this drug very effective in combating gynocomastia (female breast tissue development). Gynocomastia is caused by excess estrogen in the male body. In the steroid user, this happens when anabolic steroids "aromatize" into estrogens. This is not as odd as you may think, structurally these hormones are very similar. So with Nolvadex competing for and occupying estrogen receptors, the buildup of tissue is greatly reduced and often avoided. It should be noted that Nolvadex also seems to slightly reduce to gains made during a steroid cycle. Some believe estrogen plays a role in keeping androgen receptors open. This may explain why Nolvadex would slightly hinder gains. Regardless of this effect Nolvadex is the most popular anti-estrogen used by athletes and many people swear by it. One should remember though that many athletes find no need for Nolvadex while others absolutely need it to avoid a gyno problem. One should be aware of how much they actually need an ancillary drug like this before committing to use it during a cycle. Should it be needed, Nolvadex is quite popular on the black market.


HCG, or Human chorionic gonadotropin , which is derived from the urine of pregnant women, is an injectable drug available commercially in the United States as well as many other countries. Pregnyl, made by Organon, and Profasi, made by Serono, are FDA approved for the treatment of undescended testicles in very young boys, hypogonadism (underproduction of testosterone) and as a fertility drug used to aid in inducing ovulation in women. Among athletes, HCG is used to stimulate natural testosterone production during or after a steroid cycle which has caused natural levels to be reduced. Stopping a steroid cycle abruptly, especially when endogenous androgens are absent, can cause a rapid loss in the athlete's newly acquired muscle. When HCG is used to stimulate natural production, a notably pronounced crash may be avoided. Although fakes are not very common, they do exist and should be avoided. More than one athlete has reported unpleasant side effects (fever, aches) due to an un-sterile fake so take caution. HCG is always packaged in 2 different vials,one with a powder and the other with a sterile solvent. These vials need to be mixed before injecting, and refrigerated should any be left for later use.
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Proviron, or mesterolone, is a popular antiestrogen used by bodybuilders. It acts as an antiaromatase, which means it prevents the aromatization of steroids into estrogen. Proviron is frequently used by athletes on heavy cycles of steroids to prevent gynecomastia. It is also favored by competitive bodybuilders since a lower estrogen level corresponds with increased muscle hardness and lower water retention.One or two 25 mg per day should be sufficient to prevent gynecomastia. Proviron can also be combined with Nolvadex(tamoxifen citrate) if needed. Side effects are extremely rare with dosages under 100 mg per day.


One major problem with Proviron is that it tends to reduce the gains made from a cycle. This is due to the fact that Proviron is an androgen and therefore binds to androgen receptor sites within the body. With Proviron binding to androgen receptor sites, the other steroids present in the body (androgens) are blocked out and unable to take effect. Consequently, many athletes prefer to keep the intake of Proviron at its minimum effective dosage in order to make sufficient gains while still preventing gynecomastia.

Proviron is usually fairly easy to obtain on the black market. Most versions are manufactured by Schering and cost about $1-$2 per 25 mg tab. Proviron can come in push-through strips or small glass vials. There is currently no need to worry about authenticity when buying Proviron since no counterfeits of this product are known exist.


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samiam

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posted October 25, 2000 11:06 AM

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$2-4 for a tab of clomid?!?

Kodiak, I know you didn't say that...I hope you wouldn't pay 4 bucks for a tab of clomid. Anyway, I read that excerpt before, and I just thought I'd point out that the price stated there is CRAZY!


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