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Cool Novice 
Posts: 34 |
I keep on reading what some individuals right on this board to newbies and it is pretty pathetic. I always hear people saying that oh... you should gain about 10 to 15 lbs on your first cycle. WTF? If that is all you can gain on your first cycle, then bodybuilding is not for you. You should be able to put on way more than 15lbs... especially if you are doing strong cycle. Maybe these boys need to learn to eat properly.... not 6 meals try 10 -12 meals. hey you might actually gain some size? imagine that. CrazyGrowth    | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 3092 |
Anything else to get out? ------------------ Lift  | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1539 |
though your commentary is right on, realistically its not pheasable. i dont know too many people engaged in the game of life who have time to eat 10-12 meals. there are controlled conditions gains and there are real world gains. 10-15lbs is a real world figure. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 509 |
It's not everyone's goal to be 300lbs. Including me. I gained 13-15 lbs first cycle and was thrilled, because that was my goal. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 247 |
I THINK SINCE YOU ARE A NEWBIE YOURSELF YOU NEED TO EITHER DO SOME RESEARCH OR PUT 30 LBS OF MUSCLE ON IN YOUR FIRST CYCLE...ZEUS | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 783 |
Feeling a little wound up today are we??? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
10-15 lbs on a first cycle isn't that bad if you ask me. Especially if he or she keeps all of it. Bodybuilding isn't always guaged on the amount of weight a person gains. Also, most people don't start off with a cycle comparable to that of a pro. or someone who has been in the game for a long time. However I do agree that the first cycle is the best so make the most of it. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1131 |
Well Hacker is right on the money: not everyone want to weigh 300 pounds. I even don't care if i can put on another pound and i weigh only 202 for the moment (6.4) as long as i can be lean. Everyone has different goals. Maybe you find 10-15 pounds not enough, but if it is quality muscle, then it is more then ok. No point in gaining 40 pounds, (water, fat and muscles), since you have too loose the water and the fat. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 226 |
10-15 lb for first mild cyc solid gains are good,also highly indevedual. as for 12 meals a day what you call a meal? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1004 |
Who is this asshole?? My first cycle was d-bol, Eq and winny at the end. I ended up with a solid 16lb gain and kept it. I was pretty happy with that considering that it was a "test" free cycle. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 509 |
guys, whats with the flaming? this guy has a point. i expect to gain bare minimum of 30 lbs LBM (not water) on my cycle that starts tomorrow. hes right, for me to grow 5 lbs a week i have to eat 6500-7000 calories a day, that is easily as much as 2 average grown men usually eat. anyway i know its easier said than done, i'll let you guys know if i meet my goal. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 364 |
My first cycle was 3cc of primo once a week and 3cc of Equipose every 3days and i gained 25 lbs and lost about 2 lbs of water! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 455 |
Calm the fuck down... You cant say that about everyone, I wantded to weigh 270 and I do. Goals reached... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 305 |
You really need to know the individual. Where he works , what kind of family, etc. If I was to put on 30 lbs my family would see right though me. I am 27 and yes I still care what my family and peers think of me. If I can put on 8 to 12 lbs of quality each cycle, or better yet gain 5 lbs and lose 5% body fat, that would be great. But to blow up like a ballon over 8 to 10 weeks is not what everybody wants. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2659 |
I think a realistic 1st cycle goal is between 15-30 depending on training, nutrition, and cycle. We all have seen SSMANS cycle of 50 pounds, that was awesome, but not typical. I think most people dont have the time to eat your recommended 10-12 meals, I know if I worked at Max muscle my 6 hours a day, Id be able to eat like I should, but in reality I work 55-65 hours a week, not a whole lot of time. I can't say that I see that trend (all newbies saying they want 10-15 pounds) most are more realistic than that, maybe they are talking gains after the cycle (net gains) instead of the gross gains on the last day of your cycle. People have different goals. Slopain | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 200 |
Man, everybody is different. If you are on your first cycle and you eat like shit, you are gonna gain like shit. Everybodys bodies are different, but you have to know more about this game then just sticking your ass with a pin, and hoping for growth. Slopain hit it on the dot.......listen to him, he will help you out. Just chill out a little and stop acting like such a newbie. Acting like an ass will get you nowhere with all the knowledgable guys on this board. They dont wanna put up with shit like that. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 43 |
You mean I can't gain 30lbs off my cycle of 2 Anavar a day and 3 slim fast shakes? What about if I add some creatine in whith my slim fast. I also thought about moving from the cables to the machines. Maybe a free weight or two someday. Ha ha ha B True | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 594 |
I could not resist this thread because of how assinine it began. Let's use some logic here shall we? Let's assume that your body has the ability to synthesize 30lbs of REAL lbm minus water gain and fat. And we all know that if you are going to gain muscle, you are going to gain a substantial amount of fat and/or water. So assuming that our fantasy subject gained 30lbs of lbm, he gained around 20 or so lbs of fat and water. And keep in mind that this is over an average of 8 weeks time. So our super-bro has gained 50 lbs in 8 weeks. That's about 6 lbs per week. That might be possible if you are over 6'3", but otherwise forget about it. So you are going to need AT A MINIMUM 3000 calories over maintainence for this to happen. And as you begin to gain weight rapidly, your body begins to up its production of leptin and the various hormones that keep your weight in check. So the calorie count needed continues to rise. And that's assuming that your body has the ability to digest and process all that food. I've seen plenty of guys on cycles, all proud of themselves for "eating right", "training right", blah, blah, blah, and gain 30 lbs. To bad that only 10-15 was real muscle. So if you think that you have some secret knowledge that will lead us into the promised land of building muscle, you need to re-evaluate your thought processes. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 509 |
bchemist: you sound very knowledgable about the subject. i have researched to death for the past year, and scientific mumbo jumbo aside, i believe i can do it. how? for 1 thing fat will be virtually non existent during my cycle. i will probably supplement Lecithin and take flax at 3 am, thats all. i will be eating about 3500 calories from carbs, 3000 from protein, and 500 from fat. my fat gain will be limited by de nova lipogenesis which is considered very ineffecient. add to that 2g of ALA, T3, Mormordica, green tea polyphenols, and quercetin and you have a nice carbohydrate disposing combo. i have been ramping up calories to prepare my body for the caloric onslaught ahead. now taking all of that into consideration, along with the fact i have lots of genetic headroom left what do you think of my chances? cycle is 1.2g total steroids (deca/anadrol/winny). mainly winny. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2659 |
lol get at em Bchem. Slopain | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 34 |
BChem - Your right on the money. Enough said! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 594 |
LOL. Bro YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! How can I put this without it sounding like a flame.... Alright. Theory and real science are two completely different things. If every theory on how the human body will respond to a drug and nutrition is true, the world would be free from AIDS, cancer, and obesity. But it just doesn't work that way. The body is an efficient machine...actually more efficient than anything we could ever build, just short of fusion. Efficiency comes at a negative cost....therefore your body is going to have a party storing all those extra calories as fat. Carbs promote the release of insulin. Insulin stores extra caloric nutrients in muscle AND fat. So don't think that you can get away with gaining pure muscle. Unless you are a genetic god, your theory is just that. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1372 |
When growing I eat all day all the time. There is not a moment that an apple, chicken breast, bowl of oatmeal, chunk of tuna steak, orange, etc..... that is not sitting infront of me. I do not count meals or cal when bulking, I just eat,. I do put on about 10-15lbs of fat over a 9month bulk cycle but I you look at the Check's pic thread on the chat board I think you will see that my size is very nice. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 509 |
i understand but you seem to be missing my point. the body has to convert glucose to FFA before it can be stored. the body doesn't just shove carbohydrates into fat cells. you are right that with high insulin levels almost every calorie from fat that i do eat will be stored as fat, but at 500 calories of fat a day i will only gain 1lb of fat a week directly from fat. with my cycle estrogen should be lower than normal, and the amount of anabolics in my system will be very lipolytic. i will easily burn 1lb a week off of my workouts meaning its up to old DNL to make me fat. the body is effiecient but not in converting carbs to fat (Lyle McDonald, et al). i also believe you are underestimating the insulin lowerin effect of the supplements i will be taking. ALA is used as a diabetic treatment in Europe. for more information on the other compouds i am taking see t-mag.com/html/121ins.html | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 594 |
I'm not going to discuss this theory with you any longer. There is no point. You have convinced yourself of something that you want to believe. Great. Maybe you'll get an extra boost from the placebo effect. But I'm not going to give you my "seal of approval" on what you are expecting as realistic. Believe me, I've heard my share of theories similiar to yours thought up by very sharp minds. Too bad it never pans out the way they planned, and are left pissed off as they pace the gym muttering "I can't understand why I'm stuck.....it was going so well in the beginning." But who am I to destroy a dream. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1900 |
Crazygrowth...You are sooo right, you seem to know everything. So you must be huge, huh? Dumbass. ------------------ Visit my website (free of all Musclehedz pictures) at http://profiles.elitefitness.com | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 509 |
fair enough. i do know what you mean about the "everyone has their own theory" kind of thing. my only request is that IF i do accomplish what i hope, don't call it a placebo effect  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 89 |
Man, not to beat a dead horse but that was a stupid f***kin post. We are all just stating what happens for the norm. You may some god gifted exception, but I would'nt go callin people out. Think a little more before your next post. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 165 |
I am more likely to believe the guy who claims a 10-15lb gain who is a real person with real faults. Opposed to the guy who claims perfection with a perfect diet. Eating meals on the minute of the hour and gaining 50lbs rock hard mass. ENUFF SAID! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 26 |
My first cycle I had a lot of gain ( sust and D bol cycle) but truth is I didnt look very good. A moon face and some extra body fat. Subsequent cycles I was much smarter smaller, real gains with a tighter body and a better look. If I remember, my second cycle I didnt gain much 7pds maybe but I looked a lot better. So my 2 cents would be a nice steady climb is better for your body than a huge mass gain at one time. Also watch for stretch marks on the large gains- Just my opinion --Tomo |
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posted October 23, 2000 03:31 PM
