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 Just another 1st Cycle critique?
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 15 |
Hey bros, I started my first cycle, last week and I am thinking of revising what I originally planned. I am currently 5'11'' 180lbs and 6% bf. I am 28 and am working out 5 days a week. I have increased my diet and protein intake. Please let me know what you think. Also I have no clomid, only Hcg. D-BOL---DECA---T/200---EQ Also, how should I use the hcg? Plus should continue using creatine? I appreciate any advice you can offer.     | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
Anyone got a minute? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 102 |
I hope you have some Nolvadex too.....gyno is a side affect of HCG (been there). I would try real hard to get some Clomid too.....Sorry for not directly answering your question....just watch out with HCG bro...you test will skyrocket but so will your estrogen levels.. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 295 |
Ok gear looks good. I would pick eq and run it throughout. Hcg will be good to hit 5000ius mid cycle and 5000 ius 10days after last bump. Get clomid for 3 weeks after cycle. That is the most important thing. If you can get clomid and hcg, you shouldnt have to taper any of your gear. Please pick up clomid otherwise it will be hard to keep your gains. I would save the creatine for post cycle. If you like deca run that throughout, but then you will need winny for the pro. gyno. Try to get arimidex or at least nolvadex to combat the excess estrogen | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 673 |
My 2 cents is that you don't need to taper down so low (or at all considering you'll be on gear for another 5-6 weeks!) on the dbol...I'm doing 30 X 4, then 20 X 1, but that's just me! HAPPY GROWING, NOW GO EAT! You don't have to worry about you're bodyfat, so pig out while you can, your muscles will thank you for it!!! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
Thanks bros, I am hoping to get some clomid, but it seems everyone I know in St. Louis, doesn't use clomid. They think it's just if you are talking really high doses. What's a guy to do. | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 10 |
The AAS choices and amounts look okay to me. You should get some Clomid, though, at the very least, for quick post-cycle recovery. The HCG is an inferior choice, in my opinion (others may disagree with this strongly,) and is also a gyno risk. You have enough to worry about on that score between the test and D-bol (and even the Eq, to some extent.) Clomid / Nolvadex (and/or Arimidex) during the cycle will keep gyno, etc., under control. Arimidex is very, very expensive. Clomid, luckily, is relatively cheap. At a very, very minimum, go with either Clomid (50 mg/day) or Nolvadex (20 mg/day) throughout the cycle (for estrogen protection) and Clomid (not Nolvadex) for a few weeks post cycle (to stimulate endogenous test production.) One 50 mg tablet of Clomid every day throughout 15 weeks will only set you back about $100. It will be money well spent. Good luck. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 295 |
Hey, another argued topic. Dont take clomid during your cycle, your body get used to the drug. Save it for post cycle. Arimidex is effective at a dose of 1/4 pill eod. If you can get somebody to split the price of a box you wont be set back so much... Email me and I'll point you in the right direction | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 102 |
WinDec....I don't think it should be a question of HCG OR Clomid....i think they should be both taken during a cycle...HCG for the immediate boost and clomid to sustain it...yes HCG is a Gyno risk but you should be taking nolvdex anyway...just my .02 | ||
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Novice
Posts: 10 |
Hooch, I was pretty sure there would be disagreement and controversy on this... <g> My major reason for disliking HCG is that it is largely unnecessary, IMO. (1) While in the middle of the cycle, natural test production is not of particular concern (and cannot be sustained in any event in the presence of high doses of AAS.) (2) Post-cycle, I think that HCG can actually be counter-productive, by delaying natural recovery of the HPTA. It does treat the symptom (low test output,) certainly, but not the underlying cause. In all fairness, I should admit that on a very, very long cycle, it can be usefull in preventing testicular atrophy. However, on a typical (10 or so week) cycle, that is probably not a realistic concern. Just my $0.02. I am always willing to reconsider my position, should anyone provide a convincing argument to the contrary. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 102 |
Good write up there Windec....I pretty much agree with everything you just said...but I just like to think of HCG as a stop gap measure...clomid might not start things fast enough while your "synthetic" test levels are dropping like a bomb because your cycle is over.... Plus nut shrinkage can be hard to take in the middle of cycle... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 295 |
Hcg the way I explained is to keep the ball working whether or not it is unnatural. With all the gear in you the hcg will keep the juices flowing. Also you will make better gains that week. Hcg is a fake signal but it signal your body to make test, it not from a synthetic. So at the end the boost will help while the clomid slowly gets started...IMHO | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 242 |
I wouldn't taper down, but I would wait until I had nalvodex & Clomid. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 289 |
If you have enough, take 500 IU every day, otherwise, use 500 IU every day for 2-3 weeks post cycle. Also, try your damndest to find clomid. I don't know who started the rumor that clomid taken throughout the cycle lessens its effectiveness, but it isn't true. Use it during and post cycle. |
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posted October 23, 2000 01:13 PM