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XCYTER

Amateur Bodybuilder

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From:Hell
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posted October 20, 2000 09:40 PM

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OK Ive heard that you only have one receptor type and that it doesnt really matter what different AS you take, catabolism will catch you. Ive also heard that if you switch to a different AS every 8 weeks or so, then you could stay on year round, and deal with the catabolism when you come off (clenbuterol, hcg, clomid etc..)
So does switching up every 8 weeks allow you to stay on for extended lengths of time.
Thanks.


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superdave

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posted October 20, 2000 09:50 PM

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I wouldnt think so, your Hypothalamal/hypophysial testicular axis would be shut down to long, since depends on which gear you took. The androgens would shut down the axis, so you wouldnt want to go from androgen to different androgen. Going to anabolics might be less harmful.

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The Ranger

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posted October 20, 2000 09:55 PM

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I'll try this one Bro,
First...Steroids should not be realistically used for more than 8 to 12 weeks, and using them longer is less effective and dangerous.

Second...You can damage your Kidneys or Liver, and most of the time this damage shows little symptoms until the damage is done.

Third...Most will use this general rule of thumb, stay off for as long as you were on. This allows your body, and recepters to return to normal. More often than not, the positive nitrogen balance begins to drop after 6 weeks, depending on the dosages of course, and will diminish the anabolic effect as well....bottom line, the longer off, the better the results next cycle...!!

I'm not in complete agreement with this evidence, but alot of muther fuckers smarter than me did the research...and nope, switching them won't give ya an unfair advantage either....of course Animal B may dispute this with his 2 year cycle...your choice bro....Peace!!!

Ranger


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BIG HURT

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posted October 20, 2000 10:03 PM

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I can personally tell you I stayed on for a very extended period of time when I was younger,Over 2 years,switching gear every 8-10 weeks or so.They were always heavy androgens such as test,d-bol,sostenon, anadrol,suspension.I never suffered any ill effects from this as all blood work showed.I also stayed off gear for a year straight following this period.Amazingly enough,when I stopped I was 5'9" 221.After being off a year straight,without taking any ancillary drugs at the time(1993),I was ignorant about their use,I only lost 13 lbs. and went down to 208 lbs. When I went back on,Within 12 weeks of Anadrol and test,I was at 237 lbs.Although I didn't suffer any serious physical side effects,I wouldn't recommend staying on year round simply because I believe gear works better taking at least 3 mos. off between cycles.Although I can't really say staying on year roumd would be detrimental.There is no medical evidence suggesting year round anabolic/androgen use is unhealthy.BUT,cycling off will give you peace of mind if you worry about doing any possible damage.OH,by the way,I was always on some form of test and an oral throughout that extended period.Anadrol and d-bol only,I just switched from one to the other every 12 weeks along with a form of test at no more than 500 mgs.weekly.Lesson learned for me was,These drugs,work much better at a 3 month interval at smaller doses than if you stayed on and didn't give your receptors a chance to clean out.Another thing,today I'm off six weeks from a sten anadrol cycle.I weighed 258lbs,when I ended,and today I weigh 254.Going off is really not a bad thing psychologically

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XCYTER

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posted October 20, 2000 11:48 PM

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I just thought since the Pro's do it, there must be a successful way of year round cycling. There must be a magic brew...


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Badkins21

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posted October 20, 2000 11:57 PM

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Eq and primo are popular drugs to "bridge" with man...at low doses, they'll make your body think you're off, but you'll still have the increased protein synthesis, etc. If you're young, I wouldn't do it, though! Wait 'til you have to!!

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WCP

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posted October 21, 2000 12:38 AM

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I dont particularly see the need for "bridging" really. If you cycle right, and diet correctly you will maintain your gains.

Ive been clean for a month and a half after being on for about 6 months straight, and Ill tell you after the initial 20lbs it didnt get much more exciting, mind you though part of that cycle was cutting as well.

Cycle 6-8 weeks at a time, cut longer if you have to, but using pure anabolics while cutting is much easier on you in the long run, thus using longer in that phase.

My .02
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E2

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posted October 21, 2000 12:55 AM

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WCP and Ranger, you're both crackheads, staying on year long is the way to go. Now mind you it's not for newbies, like you Ranger, oh that's right you're 96, sorry bro i forgot, well WCP's lips are still wet with mommies milk, so he shouldn't do it.


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Jay287

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posted October 21, 2000 06:43 AM

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I have done binge cycles where I have been on for 6 months before and at the age of 25 I am 287lbs at a height of 5'11 and a waist of 35'. I am regularly observed by my physician via bloodworks and urinalysis and as he is not in agreement with my habits, I have remained healthy thus far (knock on wood). My longest cycle was a little over 9 months when i was 23yrs old when I balooned up to 330lbs. Granted that i look much better now and trust me the phone rings a lot more but my strength was unbelievable. I was ready to enter a bench meet and hit 585 with a pause before i broke my hand in a fight working in the hamptons. I remember hearing the best line somewhere to the tune of "What the pros take when they are off are equal to the heaviest cycles we take when we are on"


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rainhorn

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posted October 21, 2000 08:56 AM

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as for the catabolic issue orimatan will do thee job as for reducing the cortisol levels in the body.
post cyc glotamine & creatine .


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The Ranger

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posted October 21, 2000 09:07 AM

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If you read the post E2, that is if you can see through your God like ststus on the board....I said I didn't agree with it, but it's the choice of the user....heh heh heh!!!

But, in my 96 years of experience I've found that those who stay on year round have an inferoity complex.....So relax O Great One....I don't look down on you very often....heh heh heh...

It's all good!!

Ranger


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