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Guru 
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I am on a keto diet right now and I remember reading a while back about how metaformin and lipoic acid could be used to get into ketosis faster. But my question is can lipoic acid alone help you get into keto faster. I did a seacrh and the only good thing I could find was this: https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/08-2000/027332.html but it doesn't say if you can use lipoic acid without the metaformin. I don't have a clue where to even get metaformin and I don't know much about it. I remember that one source I know of carries it so I am guessing it is a prescription drug. But I don't want to wait to order something and then wait for it to come in. I want something that I can get now. Bchemist mentioned using long periods of cardio (like a 5 mile run)to deplete glycogen stores. I will try this but I still want to know if there is something I can take that is OTC in case I don't have the time for 5 miles of running. Can anyone help me out here? [This message has been edited by Maverik (edited October 18, 2000).]     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 269 |
Metaformin (glucophage) works in two ways; it increases insulin sensitivity, reduces glycogen breakdown in the liver, but does not increase insulin production. Sounds good, but for keto you don't want to decrease glycolysis- you want that stuff out of your liver. Lipoic acid gets a good rap. I haven't read anything solid about chromium or vanadyl, but I'm skeptical. Intense aerobic exerise for 20-30 min followed by a keto meal of peanut oil and soy isolate will get you in keto faster that you can say "this sucks". Good luck. Peace! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Probably not the most healthy way to get into Keto, but..... Alcohol will get ya into ketosis with a quickness. Some everclear would be the lowest calorie way to do it. I don't know the exact nutritional info on too many other kinds of hard liquor, but anything low in carbs should work.  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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How does alcohol get you into ketosis faster...just wondering... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Frigging hell Maverik I seems like a decade ago that I posted that post. Anyways, been using lipoic acid constantly for the past three years straight. Here is the answer to your question: 1. Yes, lipoic acid can be used on its own. If you want to increase glucose disposal(by around 50%)(This will help you get into ketosis 50% faster), you will need roughly 1200mg spread throughout Day 1 of a Keto diet. This, combined with the Keto diet should work reasonably fast. 2. It is not prescription, however metformin is. I prefer ALA since it also increases oxygen transport to the heart,which is a good thing while on gear. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Alcohol will help deepen ketosis, but its calories are used before that of the other macronutrients (fat, protein, carbs). Therefore, it will detract from fat loss until its calories are used up. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Alcohol, by the way has no effect on blood glucose levels at all. It will not deepen Ketosis by itself, but since there are no nutrients detected by your body(just ethanol), Your body will eventually lower BG levels. However, while in Ketosis you will however get drunk extremely fast. I weigh 88.0Kg, and while in Ketosis it only takes me 2 tequila shots to get merry. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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quote: The mechanism of action of metformin and other biguanides is not well understood at all. But I have never heard of metformin decreasing glycolysis. On the contrary, metformin is thought to act by decreasing hepatic gluconeogenisis - which is almost the exact opposite of your statement, and indeed would be effective in helping to get into ketosis. Other proposed mechanisms of action are increased glycolysis in other tissues with increased glucose removal from blood - also good for ketosis. | ||
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Guru
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Thanks for the replies guys, but let me ask you this. Once you are into keto you are using bodyfat for energy, right. So once you are in keto, wouldn't doing lots more cardio use up more energy which would decrease fat much faster. This was just an idea that popped into my head. I do 30 minutes every morning, but should I start doing 30 minutes at night too? Makes sense to me that expending more energy at this point would melt the fat off faster. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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Maverick, I think this pretty much a trial and error scenario that differs between each and every individual. I would say to try it out and see what happens. I usually do double session cardios on Mon. and Tues. to help quicken my descent into ketosis, and most of the time I can not do much more than 30 minutes/day the rest of the week (before the weekend carb-up on a CKD) until I start breaking down muscle. Also, some weeks are different than others. Sometimes the added cardio will force your body to work against you. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 740 |
Cardio on a ketogenic diet isn't always fun. Especially once you have depleted your muscle glycogen levels. Sure you will burn more fat doing cardio twice a day. But keep an eye on your lean body mass to make sure you aren't losing muscle too. | ||
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Guru
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That's what I was thinking. I might just stick with the 30 minutes in the morning but it is hard to do because I am not a patient person and I like to see results fast. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Mav: Talk to your clomid salesman he is the metformin salesman as well!!! ------------------ | ||
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Guru
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Yeah, I know he now carries it too. But I don't have much cash right now and I just want something I can take now. I think I'll try the ALA like Fonz said and see how that goes. Thanks though... | ||
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Cool Novice 
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why not just take 5 i.u.'s of Humulin-R insulin every 4 hours? its cheap ($12) for a bottle of Humulin-R and it'll get you into ketosis within 10-12 hours, maybe less. why not just do it this way? i did it a bunch of times when going onto a keto diet (usually around April every year), and it works PERFECTLY. just start out with 3 i.u.'s evry 4 hours, then piss on a Ketostix to see if your in ketosis. the 2nd or 3rd time in a day, i'll always usually be in the "trace" range. hope this helped. PEACE THE EXTREME | ||
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Guru
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Thanks but I am still a little weary about insulin. The fact that you can screw up and put yourself in a coma or die is just a little bit scary to me. I might consider it but for now I will try the lipoic acid and see how that does before I just jump into the insulin thing. |
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posted October 18, 2000 10:26 PM