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Headhunter

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posted October 18, 2000 02:56 PM

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What up with this stuff. I know it is the same component as in andriol, however even though andriol might be crap it does not mean that injecteable test undecoanate is. I'm sure if you put trenbolone in a pill it might be labeled as crap but injecting it well it is a different story. I'm really curious to find out i've been holding off on getting some because i simply don't know what's the deal.


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d1734

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posted October 18, 2000 03:22 PM

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i dont see what the excitement is. ppl say it doesnt inhibit natural test production but the fact is any AAS with high levels sustained 24 hours a day will inhibit. that includes primo and anavar, although for some reason primo seems to be less inhibitory than the rest.


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Dr.Atlas

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posted October 18, 2000 03:58 PM

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I think it would be just fine as a long-lasting test ester injected intramuscularly. The big deal right now is that it is cheap and easy to get. My friend plans on incorporating into a 10 week cycle; 10 weeks 300mg durabolin, 5 weeks 30mg d-bol, 4 weeks tapered t.undec (800, 600, 400, 300 or so), last 5 weeks winny. He's using the t. undec because he doesnt have another test. Peace!

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Primo_man

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posted October 18, 2000 05:24 PM

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Dr. Atlas, how is your buddy converting the Durabolan and Test. I got one of animal's universal kits but he never emailed me directions. HELP!!!!


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Dr.Atlas

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The directions off the Renegade site (under news) for trenbolone preparation will work fine. Just omit the steps to remove the glue and binders. While I don't have the instructions yet (my friend hasn't got his kit yet), it is easy enough to make them up. Put the desired amount of substrate in a vial, add oil to the desired concentration, and heat. Draw up the oil in a sterile syringe and use the sterile filter to transfer the solution into the sterile vial. I'm making this up, but I'm pretty sure this is it. Shoot me an email with any questions. Peace!



Bytor's Fina Kit


Instructions..............
updated for 2000'!
...thanks to Animal for donating the kit, and...
...thanks to our compadre Wedge down in TEXAS for the cart!


HERE WE GO..........

1. Here is the 'sterile' kit as it surrounds a fina cart. it surround cart.

Inventory is as follows (from left to right and up to down):

Vial 1 with MAGIC SOLUTION

Vial 2 with OIL

Sterile Vial 3

10cc syringe

5cc syringe

0.45um GD/X sterile syringe filter

ein cart

two 18g needles

one ugly ass coffee filter
2. Pic of a sealed cart!....hum!, nice and fresh!
3. Cart sitting out of its sealed packing.
4. Add pellets to vial 1(magic vial). Be sure not to dump the pellets everywhere
when you remove the plastic top off the cart. You can accelerate the breakdown
of the pellets by crushing them. I did not. You can also use heat to accelerate
the breakdown. I did not.
5. Let it set for less than 1 hour to prevent glue oxidation. I purposely allowed
it to set for a couple of days so it would oxidize, thus forcing me to pre-filter
using the ugly ass coffee filter (I did this so the documentation would be more
thorough). YOU DO NOT THE GLUE TO OXIDIZE!, UNLESS YOU LIKE WASTING TIME?
6. Get out the 5cc syringe and attach one of the 18g needles. Draw
2cc's of oil out of vial 2 for purging the sterile filter at the very
end of this process.
7. Recap the 5cc syringe and store the 2cc's of oil for later use.
8. Add the oil from vial 2 to vial 1 ever so gently (remember to do it within 1 hr).
9. Pic of oil addition to vial 1 (again this should be done within 1 hr of adding pellets).
10. At this point I gave it a gentle swirl and allowed it to settle. Your fina can sit at this state for over a years time and still be legit. The image below shows the recently swirled vial 1.
11. By ensuring the oxidation of the glue (by not obeying the 1 hr rule). I was forced to pre-filter. This is where the coffee filter comes in handy. Insert a small funnel into vial 2 and insert the filter into the funnel as shown below in the pic. Don't pour yet, you must warm the mixture first.
12. Warm the mixture up. Animal suggests warming in boiling water or on an electric eye. I used hot water from the sink faucet as shown below. This helped lower the viscosity of the mixture so it was easily poured.
13. Pour the top layer into the funnel leaving the glues behind in vial 1.
14. Allow the oil to drip through the filter and then pour the remaining oil/glue
into the funnel and allow it to filter overnight. The next morning use rubber
gloves( I used zip-loc bags over my hands) to protect your hands while wringing
out the filter into the funnel.
15. Preparation for using Version 4 ( or V4) of Animals Sterile filtering. You should have pre-filtered vial 2, sterile vial 3, sterile filter, 10cc syringe and two 18g needles. Attach one 18g needle to 10cc syringe. Remove cap from sterile vial 3 and insert the other 18g needle(you will feel the pressure equalize). You are now ready to draw and filter.
16. Draw with the 10cc syringe.
17. Replace the needle with the sterile filter. Insert filter into needle sticking out of sterile vial 3, and begin to filter. As Animal warns, hold on to everything securely so your fina doesn't go flying.

Alternate instructions: Remove the needle, place the filter on the syringe, and then place the needle on the filter. Insert needle into stopper and filter the fina into the vial. NOTE: Leave the second needle in the stopper (the one used to release the pressure in the vial). By leaving the needle in the stopper this allows for the air inside the vial to remain at atmospheric pressure, thus when you release the plunger the air inside the vial will not be pressurized and try to back fill the syringe with what was liquid was left in the filter.
18. Repeat the draw and filter above until all fina is sterile filtered into sterile vial 3. Then take the 5cc syringe (with the 2cc of oil you have stored) and purge the sterile filter of any remaining 'good' stuff as shown below.
19. WHA-LA! There you have it. Time to go FEED YOURCATTLE!

(sorry for the blurry photo)

Hopefully this helps your beef production this year.

Peace,
Bytor


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Detailed Fina Instructions...
...courtesy of Animal himself!...html edited by Bytor.

Read the directions first, then the VARIATIONS and FAQ section!
And please remember that these kits are for developing
the ability of the user to create a sterile end solution and to
experiment with the solubility of molecules in a vehicle in which �the
experts' say can't be done.

A note on pressure/syringe size to use with the filters. A 20ml syringe
will create 80psi, while a 10ml syringe creates 140psi. With a 10ml
syringe the solution will go through more than 2x as fast.

Quick Access Links:

GMF Filters

Cleaning a spent sterile filter for 'pre-filtering' purposes.

What you should have in your 'Sterile' kit.

What you should have in an 'EZ' kit.

How to keep a bottle sterile.

New 'Easy' kit directions.

'Sterile' kit directions.

Sterile filtering.

Descriptions of Variations...


GMF FILTERS: Resistant to weakening or disruption of the fibrous matrix
by inorganic or organic solutions and has a broad chemical compatibility. Made
of borosilicate glass microfibers. Presterilized by gamma irradiation.

Typical Characteristics

Filter 25mm GD/X

Membrane GMF

Prefilter GMF 150 (10:1mm) and GF/F (0.7mm)

Autoclavable At 121�C (250�F), 15psi, for 20 min. Max. temp., 131C(267�F)

Now why mention all that? Well, if you mess up your filter you can run some
methanol through it and then wrap it in a piece of aluminum foil, and
then you can throw it in your oven at 250F for 20-30 minutes. Then it will
be good as new again! You can also make a very good pre-filter which is specifically made for
our solutions!

Cleaning a spent sterile filter for 'pre-filtering' purposes.

The GDX filters have a pre-filter built into them and it is a 10. By
cleaning an old Sterile filter out with methanol you can use it again as
a pre-filter if your solution hasn't cleared enough.

1. Run about 20ml of methanol through your syringe into your syringe
filter.
2. When the syringe is empty, back draw on the syringe and that pulls
much of the filler off the top of the filter and you will see the
methanol turn white.
3. Discard the methanol.
4. Blow some air through the filter by taking off the syringe and
filling it with air a couple times to dry out the filter.
5. Let sit 24hrs to let the rest of the methanol evaporate, or you can throw it
in a 250F oven.

What you should have in your 'Sterile' kit.

1. A red stoppered clear vial with 5-10ml MAGIC solution marked �1'.
2. A red stoppered clear vial with oil in it.
3. A sealed clear, sterile, vial.
4. Two 18 gauge 1.5 inch needles.
5. A 5ml and a 10ml syringe. A QS also has a 20ml syringe.
This is the largest syringe we can use with the Sterile filters.
6. 1 clear, sterile, 0.45um GD/X sterile syringe filter. QS kits have 2
filters.
7. A real cheap coffee filter.

What you should have in an 'EZ' kit.

1. A large sealed, clear vial marked �1' with 5-10ml solution.
2. A large clear sterile vial marked �2' with oil in it.

Note: In the following steps, the term �hormone' can mean any AS type
structure including, but not limited to, androstenedione,
norandrostenedione and other �pro-hormones'. It can also mean outright
steroids in countries where they are legal. Please do not do anything
illegal with these solubility experimentation kits.

How to keep a bottle sterile.

1. Tear out the aluminum center circle of the bottle.
2. Tear off the rest of the aluminum.
3. Using syringe filters or sterile contents from the clear bottle
inject back into the bottle or just pull the stopper out and pour whatever
you want into it and reseal. As long as you don't touch the lip of the
bottle with something non-sterile it will remain sterile.

Preparation...

New 'Easy' kit directions.

The �old easy' kit directions are available upon request, but I have
found a better way to keep the glue from oxidizing. Oxidation is what
causes the glue to turn into a gum and which also turns the solution
brown.

1. Add 2000mg of your favorite �hormone' to vial �1'. You may crush
the pills in the vial to speed up the breakdown of the pills, but
DO NOT let the pills (or crushed pills) sit for more than an hour without going
to step 2(or the glue will oxidize). You must do step 2 within that time
frame as the oil keeps the glue from oxidizing.IF you have crushed the
pills you can skip step 3.

2. Add the oil from �vial 2' very slowly to vial 1 trying to disturb
the pills as little as possible. (If you are increasing the mg/ml by
using less oil you need to add less than the full amount of vial 2 which
is set for 75mg/ml.)

3. Let it set at least 2 hours (or overnight) to soften the pills further.

4. Place vial �1' into some water which has been boiled or placed directly
onto a heating element at its lowest setting. Swirl until the color is
an even cloudy yellow/orange and the crystals dissolve and any little
bits of �pill' filler are dissolved. Do not shake. This should take about
15 minutes.
(When using a heating element the vial should be warm and not hot and
you should be able to hold the vial at a point 3/4 down the vial.
Boiled water is hot enough if you don't have an electric stove. IF the
kit is turning any color other than gold or orange it is TOO HOT and the
glue will turn into a �gum' and inhibit settling, so heat slowly and
gently.)

5. Keep the solution warm until you see the filler dropping to the
bottom with only 1/2 remaining cloudy. At this point you
turn off the heat, but let the vial sit on the element or in the hot
water as it cools.

6. Replace stopper and let it set 1-2 hours (or overnight) to allow the
fillers and glue to settle.

7. For better sterility put it into an oven that has been preheated to
250F. Leave in oven for approx. 30 minutes.

8. Plate out the solution to detect for sterility or use on research or
farm animals, or discard after you have successfully completed this
experiment which has proven that addition of the �magic solution'
permits mg/ml of 75mg/ml to 200mg/ml! This is a patent pending process.

'Sterile' kit directions.

The �old sterile' kit directions are available upon request, but I have
found a better way to keep the glue from oxidizing. Oxidation is what
causes the glue to turn into a gum and which also turns the solution
brown. By stopping air from getting to the solution the filler settles
out on its own and eliminates, yes ELIMINATES the necessity of the
coffee filter and increases your yield by approximately 2 ml.

Prep: Draw 2ml (SS) or 5ml (DS) of oil out of vial 2 using the 5ml
syringe and set aside. Withdraw 5ml if using a QS. This will be used in
step 26.

1. Add 2000mg of your favorite �hormone' to vial �1'. If you have a DS
kit you add 4000mg and for a QS you add 8000mg. You may crush the pills
in the vial to speed up the breakdown of the pills, but DO NOT let the
pills or crushed pills sit for more than an hour without going to step
2. You must do step 2 within that time frame as the oil keeps the glue
from oxidizing. IF you have crushed the pills you can skip step 3.

2. Add the oil from �vial 2' very slowly to vial 1 trying to disturb
the pills as little as possible. (If you are increasing the mg/ml by
using less oil you need to add less than the full amount of vial 2 which
is set for 75mg/ml.

3. Swirl or stir gently and then let sit undisturbed at least 2 hours
(or overnight) to soften the pellets.

4. Place vial �1' into some water which has been boiled (212F), or placed
directly onto a heating element at its lowest setting. Swirl until the
color is an even cloudy yellow/orange and the crystals dissolve and any
little bits of pill filler are dissolved. Do not shake! That induces
oxygen(causing oxidation) which we DO NOT want.
(When using a heating element, it should be warm and not hot. You
should be able to hold the vial at a point 3/4 the way down the vial.
Boiled water is hot enough if you don't have an electric stove. IF the
kit is turning any color other than gold or orange it is TOO HOT and the
glue will turn into a �gum' and inhibit settling, so heat slowly and
gently or you WILL be using the coffee filter steps!)

5. After all the pills have dissolved, keep the solution heated until
you see the filler dropping to the bottom and only 1/3 to 1/2 of the
vial is still very cloudy. At this point you turn off the heat, but let
the solution sit on the element or in the hot water as it cools to room
temperature. It works much better if you can let it cool on the heating
element as the filler will then be more effectively �pulled down' to the
bottom of the vial.

6. Replace stopper and let set 1-2 hours (or overnight) to allow the
fillers and glue to settle.
(At this point you can let the solution set as long as you want and even
a year or more if you want. The longer it sits undisturbed the more the
filler will settle to the bottom and compact, that is...he filler layer
gets smaller and smaller the longer it settles.)

7. If the filler has settled sufficiently to about 1/2 inch or less and
the solution has become almost totally clear, then you can go directly
to step 17. However you MUST NOT draw the filler into the syringe until
you do the last draw. With a QS you would most likely want to do a
coffee filter step on that last amount of gunk as there is a lot of
filler in there which could hold up some of the oil and it's hormone.

Steps 7-13: Your solution is either very cloudy, very dark, or the filler
is more than 1/2 inch the way up the vial or you would not be here, but
on step 17. This non-settling cloudiness happens sometimes and we can't
do anything about it, nor can we do anything about darker shades from old
pills.

8. Insert a funnel into the now empty vial �2' and insert the coffee
filter into the funnel. If you don't have a funnel to fit into a vial,
you can secure the coffee filter over any glass container with a rubber
band.

9. Warm the solution in vial 1 in some hot water again or in the
microwave for about 30 seconds. It should be very warm, but not too hot
to touch. Pour the liquid solution from vial 1 into the coffee filter
leaving as much filler behind as possible. Allow all the solution to
drip through.

10. Now pour the rest of the contents of vial 1 into the coffee filter
and let drain.

11. You may want to let is set overnight as the draining will be slow
due to the filler and glue from that last pour.

12. Put on some rubber gloves as the same stuff that is making the
hormone soluble in oil will also solvate the oil out of your skin and
leave you with dry skin. Close up the coffee filter and wring it from
the edges inward to where the �solution' was.

13. Begin twisting from the open edges of the filter. A �balloon' will
develop.

14. Press gently onto the balloon while holding onto the twisted part
of the filter. Keep pressing that balloon smaller until most of the
solution is out.

15. Twist the filter ever more into the balloon area, but be careful
not to tear the filter. Wring it out like a miniature towel. This
procedure lets you get all but about 1-2ml out of the coffee filter.

Note: In case you have doubts about what the brown residue is in the
coffee filter, you can test it! Scrape the residue into a small clear
glass vial or container. Add 5-10ml of methanol or acetone. The brown
stuff will begin to turn white (filler) and the liquid you added will
take on a tan tint. The white will stay on the bottom and will not go
into solution. Your liquid will not turn yellow because there are no
hormones in the residue. If you add some water to the methanol, almost
all the white stuff will disappear! AS are NOT SOLUBLE IN WATER.
(No applause, please) Discard the test products and pat yourself on the
back for getting this far.

16. Pre-filter and reusing old cleaned sterile filters step.
The GDX filters have a pre-filter built into them and it is a 10. By
cleaning an old filter out with methanol you can use it again as a
pre-filter if your solution hasn't cleared enough. If you are not
pre-filtering you can you can go directly to step 17.

A. Draw the coffee filtered solution into the syringe.
B. Place a white pre-filter onto the tip of the syringe.
C. Push the liquid through into any vial.
D. After the solution is all into the and pre-filtered remove the
pre-filter.
E. Draw more solution into the syringe.
F. Go to step 17.

17-29 Sterile filtering.

17. Warm the solution in hot water for 5-10 min. Draw 10ml oil
out of the vial/container holding your gold or yellow colored solution.
See V3 for an alternative to drawing.

18. Turn the syringe upside down.

19. Remove the needle.

20. Open the sterile filter package, but leave the filter in the
plastic!

21. Holding the filter from the side through the plastic, screw the
sterile syringe filter onto the syringe.

22. Remove the stopper from vial 3 and place it into the now empty
sterile syringe container. (See V4 for an alternative for which you
don't need to remove the stopper.)

23. Place the syringe filter/syringe combination immediately onto the
mouth of the sterile vial �3'.

24. Push all the contents of the syringe into the vial by grasping the
syringe with 2 hands. Using your index fingers or thumbs push down on
the plunger while continuing to hold onto the syringe with 2 hands. DO
NOT EXERT EXTREME PRESSURE DOWNWARD ONTO THE SYRINGE FILTERS! If you
move the wrong way the vial will go shooting across the table and there
goes your experiment. Also, if you push too hard the flow through the
syringe filter will slow. It should take 5-10 second per ml of oil
flowing through the syringe filter.

NOTE: If you have any questions on this step you need to email me. With the
new filters and procedure there is no longer any excuse for clogged
filters. These filters should not clog even if you do 100ml.

25. When the oil is out of the syringe you will need to reload.
Grasping the syringe filter by its sides, unscrew the syringe and LEAVE
THE SYRINGE FILTER ON THE VIAL!
Reload the syringe as in steps:17-19 or V3

26. When the oil is out of the syringe there is still some oil left in
the filter holding onto your hormone and you want to salvage that.
Remove the syringe filter from the syringe by holding onto the sides of
the syringe filter and unscrewing the syringe. LEAVE THE SYRINGE FILTER
ON THE VIAL. Place the 5ml syringe with the 2ml of oil in it that you
set aside earlier and push that oil through the sterile filter. With a
DS kit, you will be into the neck of the vial, but don't go to the top.
If you have extra oil, discard.

27. Replace the rubber stopper when all the oil has been pushed through
the syringe.

28. After setting for a couple days you may notice some separation or
what looks like bubble on the bottom. At this point you can heat it to
about 212F and the separation should not come back except for the
settling of some of the brown/red glue to the bottom.

29. Plate out the solution to detect for sterility or use on research
or farm animals, or discard after you have successfully completed this
experiment which have proven that addition of the �magic solution'
permits liquid densities of 75mg/ml to 200mg/ml! This is a patent
pending process.

Descriptions of Variations...

V2.

1. Place the 18 gauge needle onto the syringe.
2. Draw 20ml of oil out of the container holding your caramel colored
solution.
3. Turn the syringe upside down.
4. Remove the needle.
5. Open the sterile filter package, but leave the filter in the
plastic!
6. Holding the filter through the plastic, place the sterile syringe
filter onto the syringe.
7. Place the second sterile needle onto the syringe filter.
8. Place the needle through the stopper of the sterile vial, �3'.
9. Push all the contents of the syringe into the vial by grasping the
syringe with 2 hands. Using your index fingers or thumbs push down on
the plunger while continuing to hold onto the syringe with 2 hands. DO
NOT EXERT EXTREME PRESSURE DOWNWARD ONTO THE SYRINGE FILTERS! If you
move the wrong way the vial will go shooting across the table and there
goes your experiment. Also, if you push too hard the flow through the
syringe filter will slow. It should take 5-6 second per ml of oil
flowing through the syringe filter.

V4.
Tear out the center seal of the sterile vial. Insert a needle only
into the vial to relieve pressure. Place a needle onto the syringe
filter and go to step 23.

V3. I use this technique all the time as it is very fast.
A. Pull the plunger out of the syringe.
B. Place your finger over the hole where the needle would go.
C. Pour the contents of vial #1 into the syringe.
D. Keeping your finger over the hole, place the plunger about 1/8 to
1/4 inch into the syringe barrel.
E. Turn the combination upside down while holding onto the plunger.
F. Remove your finger from the hole. Push the air out of the syringe.

ANIMAL'S FAQ:

Questions answered!

This is a statement often heard by Animal:
Hi Animal,
Go to this link, I think you've read it before by Bill Roberts who is
one of the ASS Family. http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_85julia.html

Animal: Hey, thanks, and thank him for the advertising, and to fuck off
if you'd like. Like I've said, EVERYTHING in there is pharm grade or
purer, and is patented and used in injectables even today. Too bad he
doesn't know what's in there!, that pisses him off, but over 5000
customers are happy and not one complaint!

Q1: Does comp TH have less binders/glue than the finaplix-h?
Animal: Different kind of binders that don't swell up as much and/or
less/different glue.

Q2: Does ALL the glue and binders get filtered OUT from the coffee
filter?
Animal: That takes care of most of the binders and some of the glue and
that is why the residue is brownish and sticky.

Q3: Then how about the "sterile filter"?
Animal: The SF takes care of the rest of the fillers and a lot of the
glue, but if you really want to get rid of the glue you heat it up to
250 in the oven and the glue will stick to the sides.

Q4: What's with all that fucking TASTE in the mouth shit that people are
posting? Drives me nuts! I don't taste shit, and I will be doing a
SAFE 0.5cc ED for 3 weeks, rest 2 weeks, and then 3 weeks again. That should
be safe right?
Animal: That's a systemic nervous reaction. The only way they could
possibly get that is if they inject into a vein.
Bytor: Oddly enough, I get a nasty chemical-like taste in my mouth when I
shoot fina, and as well I sometimes get the sensation that someone is pricking
me with an insulin dart in random places over my body. All of this happens
within 15-30 seconds of the injection and quickly fades.

Q5: I know liver cells regenerate and all that crap, how about
kidneys? Like if they are STRESSED and OVERWORKED, what are the
symptoms? It's my first time trying and i'll be drinking lots of water
and cranberry juice....so do kidneys "regenerate" themselves?
Animal: Just about every soft cell in the body is replaced every 30
days. Even so, there is no research at all to show that any AS harms
kidneys. Remember how they said hi protein diets would harm your
kidneys, too? HAHA!

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mike peters

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Don't waste your time and/or money. It's bull. I've been on it for 4 weeks and "nothing". Yes I've uped the dosage from 800mg on down.


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Primo_man

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Thanks Dr Atlas, I've made fina before but just wasn't sure about the durabolan.


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Damn that was a long post. Bump


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