HUCK...Bchemist...do you guys have an answer for this phenomenon/theory?

some guys think it's a waste and have used it @ 150mg eod for 2 mos and noticed NO difference in a cycle. they believe it's a waste of valuable injection spots.

someone else's theory is that Methandriol has a high affinity to the SHBG molecule so that it uses the SHBG more and renders the main steroid that is stacked with it much more effective. Thats probably the reason people got good results. The downfall to this is that Methandriol aromatizes easily. So estrogen levels must be dealt with. One could almost overload on the prohormone 5-androstenediol which is almost identical in comparison. But its not as popular as the 4-andro due to 5-andro converting to estrogen easier. So if you go with Methandriol along with your stack you must figure out and experiment with what dose is good for you.. you really dont know how much SHBG you produce during a steroid stack and its expensive to find out. So.. go with education as your best guess. Most say to take 200mg every 2-3 days. But anyone can quote that now. I dont think that is enough for anyone taking megadoses of Test...and other stacked steroids.. and again.. using alot of Methandriol you must combat the aromatase and have plenty of nolvadex or better yet Arimidex.

Denkandiol is supposed to be weak alone, but some truly believe probably the best synergist to use in a stack.

thanks again bro

This is not a valid theory, since it does not conform with the physiology of receptors.

"someone else's theory is that Methandriol has a high affinity to the SHBG molecule so that it uses the SHBG more and renders the main steroid that is stacked with it much more effective."

This is a plausible theory.

"The downfall to this is that Methandriol aromatizes easily."

Rating: 1-5 (Five being the highest)
2 Bulking
2 Cutting
1 Strength
n/a Testosterone Stimulation
n/a Use as an Anti-Estrogen
4 Side Effects
5 Ability to Keep Gains
Brand Names:

Denkadiol
Methanasus

Prestacked:

Protabol
Superbolin
Tribolin75
Drive
Spectriol
Nandrabolin

Side Effects:

liver toxic
Gyno

Intro:

It took me a lot of searching and time to come up with this thread on Methandriol. There is very little information on the subject because Methandriol, until recently was not easy to come by. Now that there is the new Methandriol Product in Mexico called Denkadiol we have increasing interest in the product. Lets look at the Myth behind Methandriol:

1. It cleans Receptors
2. It increases the effects of roids
3. It is Highly anabolic and only slightly androgenic.

From the research I have done 2 out of the three of these myths are true. Methandriol does increase the effects of what it is stacked with and it is highly anabolic and hardly androgenic. I can not find any research that supports the fact that it cleans out receptors.

Now the bad news.

How does Methandriol increase the effects of other roids?

Not only is methandriol only slightly androgenic but it is also estrogenic. This is why it is added to all those aussie vet gears. This is supported by the same idea that causes US cattle implants to have estrogen added. The estrogen will up-regulate the Androgen Receptors. Also Estrogen and Test have a synergestic muscle building effect. There is a TON of data on this for cattle and humans. Another good example of this is why Nolvadex hiders gains.

Now lets not jump to conclusions just yet. Just because Methandriol has estrogenic effects does not make it a horrible roid. Hell we take Clomid all the time and that is an estrogenic drug. I figured the best way to see what kind of effect It has would be to talk to people who have used it.

Experience with Denkadiol.

I used it to come off of a Sust/EQ cycle about a year ago. When lowering my dosage and adding Denka I started to feel Gyno coming on. So I had to start Nolvadex. Now the Gyno could have been from the Methandriol or it could have been due to elevated estrogen levels vs the lowering of the Test I was on. I do now believe that the Gyno symptoms were from the Methandriol but to confirm this I talked to 5 others who used Denkadiol at different parts of their cycle.

Two of the people experience Gyno around the time they added the Denka and the Third said the Denka worked great and really increased his gains. (Note: this individual has never felt the signs of gyno on any cycle even cycles as strong as 1g of test a week.)

Now the most interesting part is what the last two had to say. The last two people were woman who prior to using Denka never got great results. One of them was stacking Denka and winny and by week two had to lower the winny dosage to almost nothing due to virilization effects that She would only get on twice the amount she was using. Even though she lowered the winny to only 4mg /day she said she felt like she was on 20mg/day.

The other used only Denka and was amazed by the results. She was able to go up to 300mg/week without any virilization and experienced the best gains of any cycle she had ever done.

Now for a Profile of the drug

Methandriol Dipropionate Is a very mild androgen, with estrogenic effects. It comes in a dose of 75mg/ml, in oil and 50mg/ml in water base, although the water base is rare. It's also available in Australia in a tablet & paste form. Methandriol is mildly liver toxic(even the injectable) but not as toxic as the oral forms. It's exclusively designed and prepared in prestacks with deca, boldenone, test etc. this is because it enhances the overall effect and is recommended to be stacked as 25% of the overall stack. Brand names are Protabol & Superbolin by RWR labs, other premixed stacks include Tribolin75, Drive, Spectriol, Nandrabolin etc.

Average dosage is 225-450mg/week
The drug is active for about 5-7 days so the dosage should be split up during the week

In My opinion Methandriol is probably best used only by women and men who are not susceptible to Gyno.

Links: http://members.tripod.com/~absolutetruth/downunder*******s.htm http://members.tripod.com/~absolutetruth/dynabol50.htm http://www.ausvet.com/denkadiol.htm http://www.ausvet.com/ http://www.ausvet.com/distributors.htm

[This message has been edited by Q (edited April 01, 2000).]