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 I MUST CLEAR UP SOME MISINFORMATION NOW ABOUT PROGESTERONE RECEPTORS AND NOLVADEX.
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| Author | Topic: I MUST CLEAR UP SOME MISINFORMATION NOW ABOUT PROGESTERONE RECEPTORS AND NOLVADEX. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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SOME PEOPLE ON THE BOARD SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE A PROGERONE INDUCE CASE OF GYNO, THAT NOLVADEX WOULD NOT WORK SINCE IT IS A ANTI-ESTROGEN. I WOULD SAY THAT IS BULLSH@t! AS YOU READ THIS EXCEPT THAT I COPIED FROM MEDSCAPE "Contemporary endocrine therapy was introduced to the clinic over 25 years ago with the launch of the antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in 1973. Subsequent research has concentrated on providing additional endocrine methods of depriving tumor cells of estrogen stimulation. Presently, the major endocrine therapy options for advanced disease include: 1.antiestrogens such as tamoxifen, which is currently the standard adjuvant endocrine treatment in both postmenopausal women and premenopausal 2.new-generation triazole aromatase inhibitors (eg, anastrozole and letrozole), currently available for use in postmenopausal women in whom disease JUICE.     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 95 |
bump......... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 611 |
FYI, bros... "anastrozole" is the chemical name for arimidex ------------------ | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 2495 |
I know this not to be true, only because my training partner is on 1g of test and with nolvadex he is perfect. But at 200mg of deca per week he got gyno bad, he tried nolva, he tried proviron, but nothing helped. He had to get it cut out. Of course, Id love to hear more opinions on this. I know its not scientific, but I saw this happen with my own eyes. Slopain ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Moderator
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There is a vast difference between Nolvadex, and Armidex. 1. Nolvadex is a competive inhibitor of estrogen, simply put, it will compete for the estrogen recepters. 2. Armidex is a non competive inhibitor, simply put, it stops it from ever starting. Always try and remember that most medical reports are for current use under a prescription, and Doctor Guidence. There has not, nor will there ver be a long extensive study on the massive dosages and anti-estrogen drugs steroid users use to battle gyno. And, this study was done on women...not juiced out freaks of nature....Nolvadex will have little, or no effect on Prog. induced gyno...my thoughts on this Bro!! | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1541 |
incorrect assumptions....... novaldex is somewhat effective in women who have PR induced anomalies, merely because it blocks ER so that the problem is not exacerbated by ER stimulation. It has no direct effect on PR. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 922 |
Interesting! I always thought that the novaldex would do nothing for progesterone induced gyno. Macro: Do you think that novaldex will help a little when used with Deca by inhibiting atleast the estrogen part or will it do nothing... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 223 |
so Ranger, are u saying that armidex is effective on a deca cycle, inhibiting progetserine gyno? | ||
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Guru
Posts: 4218 |
I will tell you from FIRST HAND experience that nolvadex doesn't do jack squat against progestogenic gyno from deca.20mgs/daily of nolvadex will prevent gyno from 750mgs/week of sust for me,but 40MGS of nolva on a 400mgs/week of deca,and I'm ready to be milked.DOES NOT WORK IN THE REAL WORLD. [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited October 17, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 209 |
will arimidex work on deca gyno? Or is winny our only hope. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1541 |
Deca does not convert to estrogen. using nolvaldex will NOT help, or its help will be unnoticable in a normal male, unless you are taking Test or other aromatics in which case it will help but generally you will still get GYNO, unless you are only mildy sensitive to the progestenic binding effects of DECA. BASICALLY it does not help, except in limited situations or to limit the exacerbation by ER stimulation. Winstrol,ru-486(when dosages can be worked out), and other ANTI-PROGESTINS are the only true method to inhibit/reverse progestin induced GYNO. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 2713 |
Nope, Armidex won't help very much....but, it is speculation that Armidex will reduce existing gyno to the point of nullity....It is very good at what is does....up the test, add winny.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1069 |
I am with you guys, i also think gyno from Deca is hard to stop. Deca is good for guys not prone to gyno. I would prefer Winny over anything to fight Progesterone. Even if there is no prove how much Winny can do for you. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short |
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posted October 16, 2000 06:52 PM