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 Pantothenic Acid (B5) question.
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 48 |
1) After reading some of the previous posts, I decided to give Patothenic Acid a try for my acne. What I don't understand is this. In a research article which started the original posts about B5, they essentially said that the reason for acne is that there is a high production of sex hormones which uses and causes pantothenic acid to be deficient. Now, this explains why we would get acne when on Clomid or HCG or something but how come we get it when on steroids? In fact, the article even said specifically that exogenous androgens do not cause acne. Doesn't seem true to me.... 2) Also, the article said 10 grams a day. How come everyone's taking only 5 grams a day? 3)And finally, I have heard about but can find no reference to what is the optimal "maintenance" dose after you have taken a high dose (I'm doing 10 grams) or B5 a day. What is such a maintenance dose, and after how many days should you drop to such a dose? Thanks.    | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 48 |
Also, are there any specifications of taking B5? Like does it have to be taken with meals or on an empty stomach etc. All I know is that is should be taken in divided doses 4 -5 times a day. That's what I'm doing. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 509 |
Ok, when I first started it I began with 6grms/day for about 1 week then dropped it to 2grms/day. The first week at 6grms was incredible the way it clear my skin and made it feel very smooth. I think everyone is taking under 10grms/day due to the fact that the damn pills would run out in just a few days at that dose, and it seems that around 5grms has been working fine for everyone. I discontinued for about 2 weeks but now I'm taking it again at 3grms/day. It has been about 5-6days and my face is starting to look pretty good. And this 3grms/day is being used to help clear some acne from a short fina cycle. I believe that you should start at a moderate amount (5-6grms) for about 1-1 1/2 weeks then drop to about 2-3grms/day and it should work fine.  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 681 |
what strength is your B5, mine is only 250mg/cap, been busy didnt really look just picked some up. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 48 |
But what were you on while taking the B5? and how much? Basically I just don't know if B5 actually helps rid acne while on steroids or only when you're coming off and using clomid. I think this because I am coming off and it is helping. But as I said the research article says that the deficiency in b5 is due to high production of endogenous sex hormones. This logic seems to say that it may not work for the acne you get while actually ON gear, as vs. coming off gear and using clomid, hcg etc. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 552 |
I have 500mg time released from vitamin world. They have worked wonders with my acne. I only have acne when on test now that I am older but now I don't have any!!! I used a initial 5g(5000mg)/day for 2-3days and then went to a daily dosage of 2000mg. I also use the oil free daily face wash and pro vitamin acne cream from neutragena. The cream also has b5 in it. I have tried it all but until I used this combo, the gear just made me enter puberty again! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 681 |
im off right now due to accidents im recovering from. tried coming back a couple of weeks ago, started going heavy again and hitting prop/winny/fina/eq and basically just beat my body up some more, so ive been resting and think im gonna get on the ball some time this week, think ill start hitting fina/anadrol/clen/and some eq. i was coming off dbol/susto/eq at time of accidents then i took alot of clomid, so my body definitely needs B5---by the way B5 is good for stress proper digestive enzymes, and headaches!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 681 |
40 caps thats a little much dont you think. ------------------ | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 1 |
OK. Here is some information in response to the questions on B5. I am the guy who posted the original study on the renegade board about 2 months ago. Since then, the information has spread to all the other boards and people are getting phenomenal results with oral B5 and the Panthoderm cream combination. First of all, with regards to dosing, if you are prone to acne and on a heavy cycle you will need to do the full 10 grams for at least a month post cycle. After that you can cut back to 5grams for another month and then a 2 gram maintenance dose. Most people tolerate B5 better with food, but its not necessary for good absorbtion. However, don't ever take more than 1 gram at a time or you may experience an upset stomach. B5 is a water soluable vitamin, so there is no worry of toxicity even at doses above 10 grams. Regarding the question about the part in the study where the author states that endogenous androgens cause acne due to B5 depletion, but exogenous androgens like anabolic steroids don't. The reason he said this is because all hormones deplete B5 stores in the body. When he says that steroids don't cause acne he is talking about small replacement doses. With small doses, your body shuts down its own androgens, but the whole hormonal environment is not upset. Therefore, your body has more B5 to aid fatty acid breakdown and you get a bit less acne. However, when you take large doses of steroids (500mg per week or more) your body produces all kinds of other hormones to keep things in balance. Some examples would be increased cortisol, estrogen and DHT. These other hrmones all need B5 to be created in the body. Once again, this draws from your overall pool of the vitamin and severe deficiencies can result. That is why some people get such horrible acne on steroids. Feel free to ask any more questions. I am glad my information has helped so many people. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 329 |
Has anyone used the B5 powder from www.beyond-a-century.com besides me? I swollow the powder whole three times per day at 5 grams a pop. That shit is nasty, but cheap! Is anyone not getting good results from 15 grams a day of B5? I need to buy the caps! Sorry about the misspelled website. [This message has been edited by Zeacky (edited October 19, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 48 |
Is the panthoderm really necessary? We can't get it here and I'd rather not look for it. Anyone used B5 for acne sucessfully without the panthoderm cream? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1238 |
It helps a lot but it is not a cure all. Like they say above me you need 10mg/day to see anything while using AAS. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 402 |
zeacky...are you sure that link that you posted is spelled right? I tried to go on the site but it's not up.... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 993 |
Here's my take on this whole Acid trip!!! I have been taking it at 5grams a day for the past three weeks. It really did clear my skin alot and considering I usually have really oily skin. It seems to reduce the oiliness alot!! I my skin would be alot drier to the touch. My acne was greatlt reduced. I started my cycle about a week and a half ago. 750 omna, 8 d-bols, 400 of deca. My skin is always red now and I am sweating alot. My acne is about the same still!! I realize that in a couple of weeks I will probably be an oily mess, but for now I am still good. I bought the 500MG ones. 10 pills a day is a pain in the ass, in combo with 8 thais, and sometimes Naprox and/or percocet to help me sleep. For the price, you can't beat it. |
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posted October 16, 2000 06:25 PM