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 SUST OR TEST ETHNATE...WHICH IS BETTER?
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| Author | Topic: SUST OR TEST ETHNATE...WHICH IS BETTER? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 636 |
I HAVE USED BOTH OF THESE AT MODERATE DOSES..BUT POUND FOR POUND WHICH DO YOU THINK IS A BETTER DRUG TAKING EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT.I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY..YOU PAY AROUND $10-$15 PER 250MG OF SUST WHEN YOU CAN GET 1000MG OF ETHNATE FOR $30-$40....TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK. ------------------ [This message has been edited by FLEXMEX (edited October 16, 2000).]     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 134 |
Some will disagree, but for the money I say enanthate. T200 is known to be underdosed, but you can't beat the price. I'm also a believer that "test is test", so if I can get more mg for less money, I'm gonna do it. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 293 |
Enanthate(primoteston250).... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 159 |
Sust. Enanthate is good also. Depending on the price. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 780 |
This was actually a big debate a couple of months ago. To summarize, I argued that we don't use Sustanon for it's intended purpose by injecting two to several times a week. Sustanon was meant to be used once every three weeks with the four different esters providing varying release times. Therefore, it's a waste of money. Stick with the enanthate. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 173 |
Mabey real Test eth is good or better then T-200 but in my experience T-200 eth sucked and sust made me grow like never before. I only did 600mg of T-200 and 500 of sus and the 500 of sus was by far more potent in my system. I guess if you went like a gram a week of t-200 it would yield better gains but is it worth the money to use a gram a week??? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 780 |
If I were to choose a BRAND of T-200, I would use the Tornel, Primotest, or Ara-test (though this has some propionate in it, but it's mostly enanthate for the sake of argument.) I would just stay away from the Brovel... too many known problems. FOZY, was this the brand of T-200 you used? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 233 |
I got to go with the Sostenon preloads especially when I get them for $9 each. | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 2504 |
Thats still expensive. Sus is expensive period and a pain in the ass literally as well as all the packaging. I love the effects of the drug and its very high quality, but am getting tired of it. Im interested in the aratest for my next test cycle. Slopain ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5206 |
Yup i'd go with the enanthate, now of course i won't touch that brovel or tornel crap so i use schering primoteston or testoviron depot, which are more expensive than the mex shite but in my eyes well worth it. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 780 |
E2... I know we've argued about this before a little, but I think you should look at the quality of Tornel again. It's not bad. The company has a good reputation in Mexico, unlike Brovel. Some of us here don't have the ton of cash on hand and basically choose between the Brovel and Tornel. When it's up to me, I use the Tornel. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 636 |
i have tornel right now so im gonna use it but ive used brovel in the past and ive never had a problem with it.Im just trying to decide if i should give sust another try or just save some cash and go for good t200. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 268 |
i agree with e2 testoviron is good we get loads on uk black market. also if ya gona use sust use organon sust from portugal or the british the indian and karachi are shite. testex 250 is also good its test phenl-propinate long acting excellent test also . | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5206 |
Gymrat we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I won't touch mexican anabolics at all. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 26 |
Tornel products are well dosed. I don't know why people say Tornel products are "underdosed". LOD recently tested the Tornel Nor200 and it came out to be 189mg/ml (if I can remember correctly). So if their Nor200 is dosed well, I'm sure their T200 is too. I mean for the money, you can't beat it. I get a bottle of Tornel T200 (2 grams of enathate per bottle) for 33 bucks. - Rojan | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4078 |
Sustenon is much better than enathate. Enathate is a waste of money since you need to use more to get the same effect of Sustenon at a lower dosage. i.e.- Sustenon at 500-700mg/week would be equivalent to 800-1000mg of Enathate per week. (This takes in to consideration the active test in the system, due to the timing of the release of the esters, at any given time.... I have explained this many times before). BTW-Enathate was also made to be used every 3 weeks so there is no meat to that arguement. [This message has been edited by 2Thick (edited October 16, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 934 |
quote: 2Thick: I guess you meant 500-700mg of sust is equal to 800-1000mg of Enanthate right?? Can you explain it again please? My reasoning is quite the contrary. Since test is test than each mg should be as potent ester not changing anything. Since Sust lasts 24 days then you have 250mg split up on 24 days. Enant is supposed to last 10 days so that is 250mg split up on 10 days. Anyone want to clear this up for me? It seems so simple but is it? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 934 |
By the way I am with E2 in that I prefer enanthate to sust. Like E2 I don't take the mexican kind since the border is far from here... The enanthate I take is scherring testoviron depot and I pay as much as Karachi sust but it's worth every penny ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 780 |
I think what 2Thick is getting at is, on a comparison of 1 ml Sustanon to 1 ml Enanthate, you're getting more actual testosterone in the Sustanon. Enanthate is a longer and heavier ester. When the solutions are made, the 200 or 250 mg/ml is not just testosterone, but the testosterone AND the attached ester. Therefore, with the Sustanon's short esters in its profile, you're getting more actual testesterone. Dollar for dollar though, I will stick with the enanthate. It's just more cost effective than Sustanon, and it works, relatively, just as good. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 934 |
GymRatSD: I hear you! But the strange things is that I like the testoviron better than the karachi sust and I pay both the same price. I get better results off the enant mg per mg... Do you think Karachi sust is now being underdosed. I thought it was much better last year... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 306 |
Its great to see E2 and 2Thick post on the same thread again! Actually you guys have been a bit quieter than usual lately. Anyhow, your inputs (and that of the other mods as well) are refreshing. Bump, good thread. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4078 |
Basically, since the potency of the testosterone is controlled by the length of time it takes for the ester to release, the constant release of 4 esters will be more potent than the slow release of the single enathate ester. For example it takes about 10 days for enanthate to release. Therefore, if you were using 800mg every ten days, the release would be spread over those 10 days. Now if you use 800mg of Sust every 10 days, then the concentration of the testosterone that is released will be more potent over the 10 days since the prop releases itself fully in the first 4 days, then the pheynlprop releases within the 6th day until you get to the eth on the 10th day. You will feel it more and feel it sooner with Sustenon. More even rise and fall means more gains kept (by avoiding a sudden stop). | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 934 |
Good Point 2Thick! What I usually do is get both enant and sust and finish my cycle with a couple of susts since it offers a nice smooth taper. By the way 2Thick have you ever used test hihihi No disrespect big guy! Nice to have you back... ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 780 |
Here's the skinny: In 200 mg/ml Testosterone Enanthate, you have 135 mg/ml actual free testosterone. In 250 mg/ml Sustanon, you actually have 177 mg/ml actual free testosterone. So ml:ml, you have more testosterone in the Sustanon. BUT, if you get into the cost of the two, the difference is night and day. I can get Tornel T-200 (test enanthate, 10 ml vial) for $13.50. That's $1.35 per ml. At 135 mg/ml in the T-200, it's only one cent per milligram! For the Sustanon, the best price I've seen is $9/amp. That's $9/ml or $9/177 mg of testosterone. That averages to over five cents a milligram -- over 500% higher in cost! I'll stick to the enanthate... it's simple economics here. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 626 |
I SAY SOSTENON, IN FIGURING COST... IF YOU GET SOST FOR A REASONABLE AMOUNT $9, THEN IT WILL RUM ABOUT THE SAME COST PER MG AS THE MX VET CRAP... AS I FIGURE IT ONLY ABOUT 125 MG PER ML, NOT 200, AND ALWAYS UNDERFILLED. YOU ALSO WON'T HAVE TO WORRY AS MUCH ABOUT STERILITY. I WON'T TOUCH BROVEL EVER AGAIN! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 780 |
BTW... 2Thick, can you send me an e-mail? I have some questions for you, off this subject. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 934 |
GymRatSD: You've got to hook me up bro  13.50 for a bottle!!! You've got to get into exporting/importing ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4078 |
I use it in moderate amounts. No higher than 500mg/week of Sust since I get what I want from my cycles with those dosages. I usually use a moderate amount of Deca or EQ and 250mg of Sust for 8-10 weeks for bulking and see great results. Somtimes D-bol for the first few weeks for a kick. You don't need to use huge dosages unless you started with high dosages(i.e. E2, Ranger, Macro...etc). I first started with primo only cycle and worked my up over the years. I am very happy with my long-term reults. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5206 |
Gymrat the testoviron and primoteston are 250mg/ml of enanthate not 200. But you cost ratio is right, if you're willing to use mexican anabolics. Which i won't. Still when i pay about the same for sust as i do for enanthate, i prefer the enanthate, personally i see much better gains off it and so do the majority of people i know. Well to each his own. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 207 |
2thick is good to have you back. Btw as you said the prop in the sus releases in the first 4 days,in your view if you're resting in 2 of those days are you waisting it or not? Just tring to find the best days for injections. Thanks for the info. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 293 |
Couldn't agree more E2..... | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4078 |
I do not think you would be wasting it since test performs many other functions besides muscle building (i.e. nervous system, and ani-catabolic functions). | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 207 |
thanks 2thick. As i said i'm really glad to have you back. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 160 |
Ive done about 8 cycles in 8 years and I usually always use either test 200 or sost 250 pre loads..I must say say that for me the sost is head over heals over the t-200..In fact the only reason I ever used t-200 is because i couldn't get my hands on sost....Bam Bam | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 934 |
I think those who prefer sust have never used the quality enanthate that me and E2 use. The people who like the sust better probably just used T200 and never good quality schering @ 250mg/ml... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 292 |
High quality= Primoteston ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 182 |
GymRatSD, your last post summed it all up. At a cost of $10-15.00 per 10 ml. bottles of TORNEL (NOT BROVEL), there is no comparison. Also, the 250 mg. Primoteston amps are even a lot cheaper than the 250 mg. of Sust. pre-loads and amps. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 40 |
well I prefer sust250....why, well its available OTC here in saudi arabia as is testopriviron 100 and 250 mgs.....$7 per amp for sust, $4 for the test....but in Cairo...sust250 is less than $1 per amp!!! so ill be loading up on it in december on my way back to the states!!! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
Ok so while your on it, what about the Cid Primoteston. Its only 10 bucks. And how would you compare it (those that have used it) To Scherring, Tornel and Brovel? ------------------ ZEUS....  | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1543 |
pound for pound the biggest kid on the the block: PROPIONATE most test per mg- shortest ester
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Guru
Posts: 3037 |
Up for Macro Bset bang for the buck but you pay the price with injestions everyday. Ouch it hurts like hell. Nut you get used to it. However I really like sust and try to work it in whenever I can. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 85 |
2thick: I don't know how you believe what you wrote up above there but I guess that just shows that everyone is different. I would see it very hard to believe 1000mg test e. or cyp is equivalent to sus 500mg. I'm sorry to tell you, but with having a lot of experience with almost everything, in my eyes, vice versa bro. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 636 |
WELL SINCE I CANT GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER ON WHICH YOU FEEL IS BETTER I GUESS ILL JUST USE THEM BOTH!WELCOME BACK 2THICK ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 302 |
I posted a thread on this a while back. I can get Primotest amps for the same price as Sustanon. Well, I already went with the sus, but I think I may try the primotest next time around. ghans | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 780 |
This actually turned into a good thread without any flames... amazing... Much of the debate is based on what is available to you in your area. I live in San Diego, so it's mostly Mexican gear here. Simple economics tells me that Sustanon is way too expensive for my blood, and knowing that Tornel is at least a decent product, it's economically feasible. The argument also stands where the only real difference lies between the faster acting proprionate ester in the Sustanon to the long ester of enanthate. If you can hold off on feeling the "kick" within the first few days, the difference otherwise between the two is negligible. Comparing shot to shot, if both Sustanon and enanthate are injected twice a week, the build-up and release of the testosterones will act faster in the Sustanon, but essentially the tapering will be the same. I could go into more details about this (show graphs and other evidence), but that would get into tedium. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 636 |
how do you think i should use the bothin a mass buiding cycle...or which should i start the cycle with? ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 4078 |
You can use both in your cycle. I would suggest using enanthate first, then switching to Sustenon for the last few weeks. But (as Macro would suggest) using Prop at the end of the cycle is much more advantageous. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 24 |
Can't tell you guys why, but something quite strange happens here in Brazil. Durateston 250, by organon, which is a similar (but not equal) blend of esthers as sustenon 250, is like 1/4th of the price of a sole esther test, like Deposteron. Which brings me two guesses: the quality and underdosing issue, which I sincerely don't believe due to the recent heat the press is on the brazilian medicine industry...And the effects I get from using it ! On the other hand, I guess that the Deposteron and others are heavily overpriced... So, the fact is, here in Brazil, the Dura is a lot more cheaper than the one-ester only tests... Peace, AndrewXON | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 34 |
ok now goddamnit I just put up a post that was supposed to settle this dura and sust thing. and everyone on here said DURA IS THE SAME DAMN THING AS SUST, DOSAGES, AMOUNTS AND ESTERS, EVERYTHING!!!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 311 |
You are going to get alot of different opinions on this one. I get bigger gains on test enanthate because of more water retention. Sustanon puts more quality muscle mass on you. I have used both and like them both, but I tend to get gyno very easily with test enan, and test cyp as compared to high dosages of sustanon. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 438 |
I am very much pleased with this thread. I am on 750mg of sust this is my 10th week and I have 2 more and I am really pleased(up 40lbs) but I have friends that have taken t200 and their gains have been very obvious (water weight I guess) I cant really complain about my gains AT ALL... But I know several that like enth over sust. So I guess I'll just bump this. peace | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 211 |
Greenhouse....40lbs?????? Holy fuck!!!! You must be a big mofo... Here I am at a measly 198lbs..and 18 gained from my last sust cycle....WHOAH here... I mean my "friend" here is only 198lbs....and He has kept all of his gains so far (45 days since last inject) by using clo and nov....Anyway..my friend really was impressed with the sust..only used at the max was 500mg........He is thinking of Ara the next time only because it is cheaper..or if he could find some legit Cyp... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 438 |
The deal is, that I am an easy gainer just not an easy loser of weight. I got down to 220 for the first since my freshman year of ball. I was not totally ripped like 10% sort of a 6 pack. But know I am up to 261 and a little flabby in the mid-section from all the shit junk food so I will keep maybe 18-20 of solid muscle which is nice. I'll give you my cycle if you like. peace | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 211 |
Go ahead and sent it bro.... but for my job and stuff...15lbs is about all I can put on before the eyeballs start raising.... Already been accusse of using sauce..(thank god for those wonderful biotest products) I do get drug tested regularly but gear is not on the list...unless they have a good reason to do it... (like...say in 10 weeks I put on 40lbs??) Anyway send it to me... ------------------ |
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posted October 16, 2000 03:05 AM
