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WCP

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posted October 14, 2000 01:32 AM

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Ok, lets say you want to do the 2 weeks on deal, but what if you want to do it with sustanon?
Well as we all or most should know, sust dont really start kicking until about week 3-5 therefore there are some factors to consider here.

There is no need on sust to jack your daily caloric intake up to the 4500-5000cal. range until week 3 anyhow, but what if your wanting to stack with an oral? Well so far you have your calorie intake coming on strong the week following your last injection, but tell me at which point would it make the most sense to add the oral, lets just say dbol for conversations sake here..??

So on a short 2 week sust cycle are you really only cycling for 2 weeks?

Let me know what you think on the stacking, eating, and actual length of a 2 week cycle, considering the esters of this testosterone.

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WCP

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Pharm Animal

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posted October 14, 2000 01:37 AM

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if i'm not mistaken, the d-bol at the beginning of a cycle is to make up for the 'lag time' in the beginning few weeks of sust....i have always used it for that kick in the ass to jump-start the cycle...

if it's 2 weeks of lag time for the sust cycle to kick in, it's really not a prototypical 'short cycle' that the elite fitness board has in mind....therefore, sust will never work for short cycles

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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted October 14, 2000 01:41 AM

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WCP-I think sust should probably be scratched as a substance to be used on a short cyle.Susts long acting esters remain active in the blood stream well past the 14 day mark,which is basically when the pituitary shuts down production of LH,and H-P-T-A function is now fully impaired.If using test,its far better to stick with the fast hitters,suspension & prop.And you hit a rather huge amount on day one to get blood plasma levels saturated so that the drug starts working for you immediately.


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WCP

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posted October 14, 2000 01:44 AM

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Hey, you bro's are nailing it thus far...and who the fuck says there is no one left on the anabolic board...fucking codswallop...I should have made the question harder...although I would like to hear more on the placement for gains on the oral.

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WCP

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Pharm Animal

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posted October 14, 2000 02:37 AM

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as far as short cycle MASS DIETING.... i would say that i'd eat everything under the sun for those 2 weeks during the 'on' periods, and maybe tone down the carbs during the 'off' periods....

as far as dieting down for a competition, i don't know if i would use short cycles, because it would affect the amount of lean tissue you would be retaining....and besides, i don't think dieting down more than once a year is very smart for bros who want to stay in this game for the long term. so i would just take 2-3 months completely off from gear after a show, like i usually do

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Pharm Animal

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posted October 14, 2000 03:05 AM

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here is my version of a short fina/d-bol cycle:

day...fina...d-bol
1.....200mg..50mg
2.....***....50mg
3.....80mg...50mg
4.....***....50mg
5.....80mg...50mg
6.....***....50mg
7.....80mg...50mg
8.....***....50mg
9.....80mg...50mg
10.....***....50mg
11.....80mg...50mg
12.....***....50mg
13.....***....50mg
14.....***....***

week 3 clomid 100 mg ED

week 4 clomid 50 mg ED

week 5 proviron 25 mg/day clen 100mg/day

week 6 proviron 25 mg/day clen 100mg/day

then repeat cycle with any modifications i feel necessary <for optimal results, 2 totally different compounds, such as stananzolol and oxymethelone>

....what's the verdict?

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BigJay81

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posted October 14, 2000 03:14 AM

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Sust NO NO for short cycle Please don't follow my example It really wasn't a short cycle I just tried it to see what would happedn and inform others of the results.

Stick to fast acting esters.


IN A SHORT CYCLE YOU HAVE THE ITEM IN YOUR SYSTEM AND OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.


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b fold the truth

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posted October 14, 2000 04:03 AM

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Pharm Animal

you really sparked my attention with your idea for the fina/dbol cycle. Wow. I just finished a fina cycle a few weeks ago. I didn't really feel the fina kick in till week 3 as far as my largest strenth gains. Do you think that this would hinder you idea of using fina for only 2 weeks?

Why would one stop the fina earlier than the d bol?

Thanks in advance and once again...what a sparking idea

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Wanderer

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posted October 14, 2000 11:19 AM

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Pharm Animal: In response to your fina/dbol cycle, I think you might have been more satisfied had you increased the fina slightly, doing a triple dose on day 1. In addition, you could have continued to take the dbol for another 2-3 weeks, just as long as you did not take any past noon or so everyday. This is a great way to keep your gains while not being inhibitive to your HPTA.

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johnny ringo

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posted October 14, 2000 12:32 PM

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whats props half life?


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