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DREXX

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posted October 12, 2000 11:51 PM

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Week 1 Day 1 500mg Sust + 500mg Enant

Week 1 50mg Dbol/day + 25mcg of T3/day + 20mg Novaldex eod
Week 2 50mg Dbol/day + 25mcg of T3/day + 20mg Novaldex eod
Week 3 100mg Clomid/day
Week 4 50mg Clomid/day + 2 Metformin + Load Creatine and Glutamine
Week 5 50mg Clomid/day + 2 Metformin + Creatine and Glutamine
Week 6 Creatine and Glutamine
Week 7 Creatine and Glutamine

Week 8 I would start another and make the adjustments according to results.

I may bump up the test but I haven't decided yet. The max I would take is 750mg Sust and 750mg Enant on day 1.

How much test should I take?

I will be using a diet that will keep my bodyfat stable at 10%. I don't see the point on bulking 2 weeks then maintain 2 weeks and then cut 2 weeks. It's a lot easier for the body to maintain than to go up and down.

Calories will be about 3500cals
290g protein 290g carbs 130g fats

Training is 4 times a week and short and intense a la Dorian Yates...

Any sugestions? Comments?

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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted October 13, 2000 12:31 AM

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Drexx-I like it...alot!Keep your test at one gram,there's no need to go higher your first time.This way you could go up your next time and make even more progressive gains.I like the creatine/metformin combo in between.I will eagerly await your results bro-Good luck!


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DREXX

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posted October 13, 2000 01:12 AM

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Thanks Huck!

I will try it at 1000mg for the first short cycle and buildup from there if necessary.

Of course I will stop taking clomid on the 3rd week if I feel I no longer need it.

About the metformin/creatine. I think it will be nice. I have done insulin before but don't feel like incorporing it in here.

Any one else?

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Pharm Animal

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posted October 13, 2000 05:07 AM

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here is the one i'm thinking of....

<pre-treatment...25mg/day proviron for 2 weeks>
day...fina...ref-B
1.....200mg..50mg
2.....***....50mg
3.....80mg...50mg
4.....***....50mg
5.....80mg...50mg
6.....***....50mg
7.....80mg...50mg
8.....***....50mg
9.....80mg...50mg
10....***....50mg
11....80mg...50mg
12....***....50mg
13....***....50mg
14....***....***

week...clomid...creatine/glutamine...proviron
3......50mg EOD...10gCr/20gGl/day....***
4......50mg EOD...10gCr/20gGl/day....***
5......***........***................25mg/day
6......***........***................25mg/day

weeks 7-12: repeat cycle with different compounds and modifications to off period

comments, suggestions? THANKS

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Upjohn

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posted October 13, 2000 05:11 AM

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LoL Drexx, take some other shit too man.
I never done this but one of my friends did and saw some good shit from it...

3 anadrols a day for 2 weeks
150mg fina EOD for 4 weeks
1 gram of suspension for 3 weeks

Try it, you might be very please with it.
I think I will try this after my cutting cycle so in about a half-year. (I try to take some time off now)


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Pharm Animal

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posted October 13, 2000 05:24 AM

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upjohn, FYI...

the topic is short cycles....all of the gear must be clear from your body by the end of the 14th day!

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strengthmonster

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posted October 13, 2000 05:29 AM

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I like the sound of that too. I'm also trying a very similar course in six weeks after four weeks off. There was a thread the other day on short courses which I posted on and it seems not a lot of bros have tried short courses, some seemed a bit sceptical. Make sure you post your results bro as I'll be very interested, I'll be posting mine in 9-10 weeks.


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DREXX

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posted October 13, 2000 10:04 AM

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Bump for the morning crowd...

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littlebigguy

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posted October 13, 2000 10:10 AM

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quote:
Originally posted by DREXX:
Week 1 Day 1 500mg Sust + 500mg Enant

Week 1 50mg Dbol/day + 25mcg of T3/day + 20mg Novaldex eod
Week 2 50mg Dbol/day + 25mcg of T3/day + 20mg Novaldex eod
Week 3 100mg Clomid/day
Week 4 50mg Clomid/day + 2 Metformin + Load Creatine and Glutamine
Week 5 50mg Clomid/day + 2 Metformin + Creatine and Glutamine
Week 6 Creatine and Glutamine
Week 7 Creatine and Glutamine

Week 8 I would start another and make the adjustments according to results.

I may bump up the test but I haven't decided yet. The max I would take is 750mg Sust and 750mg Enant on day 1.

How much test should I take?

I will be using a diet that will keep my bodyfat stable at 10%. I don't see the point on bulking 2 weeks then maintain 2 weeks and then cut 2 weeks. It's a lot easier for the body to maintain than to go up and down.

Calories will be about 3500cals
290g protein 290g carbs 130g fats

Training is 4 times a week and short and intense a la Dorian Yates...

Any sugestions? Comments?


ok guys, you all got me interested in the short cycle thing hahe, have 16 sus redijects, how would i spread this out to a two or three week cycle? thanks
Should I stack the sus with some thing?


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WinDec

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posted October 13, 2000 11:36 AM

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Drexx,

I, too am very interested in the 2/4 short cycles. I have yet to do one, but it is just a matter of time.

One potential problem with your proposal: If you do 500 sust and 500 enanthate (let alone 750/750) on day 1, then (assuming a composit half life of 8 days for the sust and 5 days for the enanthate) you will still have approximately 220 mg of exogenous testosterone in your system at the end of 14 days. This amount is likely to be substantially inhibitory, and may be too much to remain consistent with the intent of the two week cycle.

Following is my planned short cycle, for what it is worth. (Unfortunately, I will not be able to start it for another few months, for various reasons.) The use of Arimidex may be on the excessive side, but I like to be safe. Additionally, it can be flavored to taste with Proscar, if hair loss is a concern.

Day..Test Prop..Clomid..Arimidex..Oxandrolone
1....600mg..600mg..4mg.....................
2...............100.....2...................
3....300......100.....2...................
4...............100.....2...................
5....300......100.....2...................
6...............100.....1...................
7....300......100.....1...................
8...............100.....1...................
9...............100.....1...................
10..............100.....1.........45mg(TID).
11..............100.....1.........45..(TID).
12..............100.....1.........45..(TID).
13..............100.....1.........45..(TID).
14..............100.....1.........20(AM)...
15..............100...............20(AM)...
16..............100...............20(AM)...
17..............100...............20(AM)...
18..............100...............20(AM)...
19..............100...............20(AM)...
20..............100.........................
21-28............50.........................
29-42.......................................

Anyway, good luck with your cycle, and I look forward to learning of your results.

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DREXX

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posted October 13, 2000 05:45 PM

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I will be sure to post my results as soon as I start and follow up every week.

By the way I check bodyfat everyweek so this will show exactly what I am gaining.

Last cycle I gained 20lbs but there was only 13lbs of LBM. Most people think all the weight they gain is muscle

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Maverik

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posted October 13, 2000 09:27 PM

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Upjohn, do you ever even read what you are replying to???


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DREXX

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posted October 14, 2000 12:58 PM

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Big Bump for the weekend crowd!

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