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Dr.Atlas

Amateur Bodybuilder

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From:Grand Rapids, MI USA
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posted October 12, 2000 04:24 PM

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This post adresses two topics of importance to me. Any help answering them would be appreciated. Like the title says, the first question involves injectable test undecanoate. The question of using test undecanoate has become a very real one. The following is cut entirely from Fast Eddie's "Test undecanoate" post from a few days ago.

Test undecanoate
Fast Eddie
Amateur Bodybuilder

"I used the search, but I want to hear from anyone who has gotten this from our friend with the powder. This is the only powdered test he has and I would like to know how it worked for everyone. wanted to stack with winny, dbol, and deca."
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Bchemist
Pro Bodybuilder
"If you are stacking all those things together, you are going to have a really hard time with judging its potency."
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Fast Eddie
Amateur Bodybuilder
"I want to make sure it will be a high enough quality of test to keep the deca dick away and just to add a little extra mass. I want to here from people who have used it. I just dont want to have to get most of my cycle one place and the test somewhere else. But if this ester is shit, that is what I'll have to do so I need to know."
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PSYCO
Amateur Bodybuilder

"i've heard some poor results from regular
test undecanoate. but the powdered form is different because i would think it could be made into an injectable rather than the little red pills it normally comes in. so i'll bump this up for anyone that has tried this product and tried injecting it."
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Fast Eddie
Amateur Bodybuilder
"Someone must have tried it...."
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mike peters
Amateur Bodybuilder
"I've tried it, it was bottled to inject, the strength @ 200 mg/ml. Don't waste your money or time. The source said it was as good as Sustanon and he's full of shit."
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GymRatSD
Elite Bodybuilder
"Testosterone Undecanoate is the same as the Organon Andriol tablet. Basically, it's useless orally. Much is destroyed in the digestive tract. It would be very expensive to get a beneficial amount in the bloodstream orally."
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cockdezl
Pro Bodybuilder
"Bill Roberts explained that the problem with test undecanoate is that the long chain fatty ester is too lipophilic and tends to remain trapped in the chylomicrons, when taken orally. This may cause a problem with injectable TU, since it would give a very slow release from the depot. A very large initial dose would be required to give adequate blood levels, with weekly injections following to maintain levels."

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Dr.Atlas
Amateur Bodybuilder
"Hmmm. I posted the same topic a week ago, but it didn't get real far. I recall a nandralone undecanoate being marketed, with a half-life much greater than regular deca. What cockdezl makes sense; large initial dose followed by maintenance dosing. However, I think more needs to be learned on the topic before we off and inject ourselves with t.undecanoate. Peace!"
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This sums up the recent discussion on injectable test undecanoate. Any more information about the effectiveness of the stuff would be appreciated.

Secondly, has the brotherhood made any headway on the seperation of test propionate from estradiol, as found in vet gear? I read one opinion from a bro indicating that, after dissolving in dimethyl ether, one can skim off the estradiol with a sieve, or something like that. No flame bro, but I want more info than that before spending money (or growing breasts). Another method discussed, I believe by Bill Roberts, was treating the mixture with sodium hydroxide. This would make the less stable estradiol molecule somewhat more water soluble, and thus able to be dissolved from the propionate. Any info on this subject would be much appreciated. Peace!

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bigrand

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posted October 12, 2000 04:50 PM

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test legaly is cool. Bump.


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Twisted_Steel

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From: South Carolina
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posted October 12, 2000 04:54 PM

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I'll offer some second hand perspective from my observations in the past. I have read a articles mentioning the application of testosterone undecanoate. Contrary to the popular opinion that "test is test" the administration techniques behind proper TU use is interesingly enough an enitrely different proposition.

Although I wont be able to phrase my opinions in this case as thuroughly as I would like, it made sence to me that if someone were to implement Undecanoate their injection methodology should resemble something similar to the constructed cycle below.

Week 1: 1.5Gram + 300mg Cypionate
Week 2: 1Gram + 300mg Cypionate
Week 3: 750mg + 300mg Cypionate
Week 4: 500mg
Week 5: 250mg
Week 6: 400mb Deca
week 7: 400mg Deca
week 8: 400mg Deca


This may look like one fucked up and equally obtuse cycle composition, but when it was explained to me it made sence. IThis really involved a stable understanding of chemical half-life Bchemist or Dezel can elaborate on this further. But, the ticked is to load up on considerable amounts of Undecanoate initially. This would ensure significant blood serum levels 3-4 weeks after week 5 were injections cease entirely.

Needlessly complex at first, im sure when you consider drug half life, you'll notice its not that odd what I have proposed. Its rusty as hell, and completely excludes needless ancillaries, but you get the point.

Sorry for being so vauge with this, someone else will pick up the ball.
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the truth

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posted October 13, 2000 01:48 AM

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I will only address the issue of separating the test prop from the estradiol. When done correctly with the right kit, you will have removed the estradiol, but the test you're left with will be test in its free state.


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cockdezl

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posted October 13, 2000 02:37 AM

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With the Synovex or Compudose implants, the problem with the estradiol is that it is bound to benozoic acid. This makes the extraction a little more time consuming. The ether method is the quickest, but as most know, it is difficult to obtain. What the kits do, is use an agent to de-esterify the T. prop and E. benzoate into the free respective bases, T and E. After this a simple sodium hydroxide solution would suffice in dissolving most of the E from the undissolved T; filter, wash and done.

With the Revalor pellets, which contain Tren acetate and FREE estradiol, then all one has to do is the sodium hydroxide solution, filter and wash.


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