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 BIGJAY'S SHORT CYCLE WITH SUST--RESULTS
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 240 |
WELL I BIT THE BULLET AND TRIED THE SHORT CYCLE. I WAS A GUNIEA PIG FOR YOU ALL, EVRYONE WANTS TO USE SUST. I REALIZED THAT FOR A SHORT CYCLE YOU "SHOULD" USE FAST ACTING ESTERS BUT I USED SUST AND SAW VERY GOOD RESULTS. DURING MY CYCLE I FELT COMPLETLY PUMPED, NO WATER WEIGHT, AND NO SIDES TO SPEAK OF. IT WENT LIKE THIS WEEK 1 WEEK 2 2 WEEKS DONE AND OVER IT HAS BEEN 4 WEEKS SINCE I FINISHED IT AND HAVE KEEP EVRYTHING THAT I GAINNED. 11LBS WEIGHT GAINNNED     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 192 |
Man jay... a shot every other day??? I don't care for needles that much...uh,well, I mean my "friend" dosen't care for needles that often... would of been interesting to do the sust at 500mg twice a week for 2 or maybe 3 weeks..... Glad it worked bro..but damn!!! A shot EOD?? Not for me... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Short cycles!!!!!! 2 weeks or less no shut-shutdown of natural Test. By the way it was my cow betsie's cycle poor cow was sickley. EOD using prop to the fulliest. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 192 |
Damn Jay..poor Betsy...Hope she is well...with that sust kicking around in her system...it sounds like you got a horny heifer on your hands... glad it worked for ya bro..Just too many shots for my heifer to handle.... :-) ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 20 |
What kind of sust did you use???? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 192 |
My heifer used the old sust redijects..for 8 weeks... 250 first week then 500 rest of the way through..used a little novla and then clo after cycle...still looking to find a reliable connect for legit stuff for poor betsy.... :-) ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
All of are damn cows are sick damn mad cows disease. It was russian sust. Cyc. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 89 |
I've read that one guy does the same thing but for 3 weeks. Do you think you would have still eliminated the clomid if you went one extra week?? ie: No ball shrinkage.. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 560 |
I see that you made an attempt to solve this mystery for us, but you missed the point to what a "short" cycle is by our context. Short means all gear is in and out of your system in two weeks or less followed with a month off. The test esters from sustanon will be active in your system for 6 total weeks causing their hpta suppression. Just so you are aware.... [This message has been edited by Bchemist (edited October 12, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Thanks Bc I am actually getting a blood test done my my trainner/doctor. and he is going to inform me on what to do. Next cycle will be of Prop. I understand the idea of a short cycle just trying to be a "test" dummie for everyone. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
when u inject sust is it better to break up ur injections over the week or take the whole 750mg at the start of the week? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Well I wanted to use the prop. And try to keep the levels even. So shoots throughout the week would work better | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 766 |
Nice work Jay! Now why don't you experiment with a 2 week Winny/Fina cycle and give me updates | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Up because I don't post anything worth while So people tell me | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
Let me ask you something: 2 weeks of sustanon EOD, almost. You claim all those gains, well guess what? I don't believe it because how could you gain all that in 2 weeks using SUSTANON. I would still be surprised if you gained all that with anadrol in 2 weeks, since you mentioned you did it with no sides. Be honest. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 881 |
Bchemist why do you say it's active for 6 weeks. Sust usually lasts 24 days depending on the individuals metabolism. He took his last shot on day 12 so 12+24 = 36 I will do a short cycle with sust and enanthate and I know it's not ideal but I have 18amps at home. I will take all the test on day1 so it will last a total of 24 but the sust tapers so for the last 10 days its very small amounts left. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Keep us informed Drexx, I'm going to e-mail Mr.H with some Ideas about his cycle suggestion. Never used Winny Or Fina should be interesting. But more research to be done | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 881 |
Upjohn what the hell are you talking about??? I have gained 8lbs the first week of my first cycle using only 750mg of Omna!!!! Of course he gained 11lbs that is no big deal!!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Just ignore him He doesn't know what he is talking about. Look at a few of his posts. Drexx. What type of dosses were you looking at? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 881 |
Week 1 Day 1 500mg Sust + 500mg Enant Week 1 50mg Dbol/day + 25mcg of T3/day + 20mg Novaldex eod Week 2 50mg Dbol/day + 25mcg of T3/day + 20mg Novaldex eod Week 3 100mg Clomid/day Week 4 50mg Clomid/day + 2 Metformin + Load Creatine and Glutamine Week 5 50mg Clomid/day + 2 Metformin + Creatine and Glutamine Week 6 Creatine and Glutamine Week 7 Creatine and Glutamine Week 8 I would start another and make the adjustments according to results. I may bump up the test but I haven't decided yet. The max I would take is 750mg Sust and 750mg Enant on day 1. How much test should I take? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
I think it looks good where it is. Kinda high like its supposed to be. Why the clomid? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 881 |
..clomid is thrown in for good measure. Bill Roberts the guy who made 2on/4off cycles popular does advocate clomid at the end for about 2 weeks. I may stop the clomid after 2 weeks instead of 3 depending on how I feel. I know that I could do without the clomid but I prefer being safe than sorry! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Sounds good enjoy I'm now working on My cycle that Mr.H suggested any ideas I haven't used either. Never cut before Allways keep bodyfat between 8-10% Never hurts to try though | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 92 |
2 week cycle= waste of fukin gear....bro your 11 lbs is 75% water.....do you think you put on 11lbs of muscle in 2 weeks.... like someone said above a short cycle is supposed to be in and out in 2 weeks....ie suspension or prop... im on a gram of omna as we speak and im carrying it out for 10 weeks with a little drol and fina....if your gonna do a fukin cycle do a fukin cycle!!!!!!!!! BTW those sources havent dropped away from me yet!!
dont forget stay away from me......IM HOT!!! [This message has been edited by deadliftr (edited October 12, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
To bad you feal that way. I guess I'm just more adapt to gainning then you. By the way my Bf% is at 8.5% wow what alot of water weight. 203lbs. I guess I'm to small though | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 881 |
Hey deadliftr! Say you gain 10lbs with a short cycle after 4 weeks off you have kept 5lbs. You do 7 of these cycles a year that is 35lbs of LBM What do you think? Picture yourself at the same bodyfat but 35lbs heavier doesn't that sound good? There is alot of logic to these cycles... You really should look into it some more. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 69 |
DREXX, you gained 8 pounds the first week using omna? LoL, then you don't know shit about gear asshole. It takes time to build muscle idiot. You gained water. Hmmm, whats the point of a stupid 2 week cycle USING SUSTANON !!? You gained water and no muscle. Don't lie to me. I'm old enough to be your daddy. So, who's your daddy? WHO IS YOUR DADDY?!!!! | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2021 |
Upjohn,you seem to have a very combative nature with EVERYONE,coupled with some mind-boggling ignorance of pharmacology.I read your post the other night which had you boasting of how you were more hard core than anybody on this entire board due to the fact that you did one never-ending SIX YEAR cycle.I've got news for you,that doesn't make you hard-core,that makes you a complete IGNORAMUS.You're also heading towards getting your rear-end kicked off these boards if you continue to needlessly attack well respected members of it...... [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited October 13, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
Bio-chem got at the crux of this issue. The gentleman was not on a short cycle. Since the sus is in his system for a good 4 weeks then he was really never off. And do to the time released nature of sus he had more in his system during his "off" period than his "on". This being the case I don't doubt his claims of weight gain. Now if he had used Test Suspension we would get a more accurate assesment of a "short" cycle. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2021 |
Bigjay-I commend you for"taking one for the team"in the name of science.And I congratulate you on all your gains-good strength increases buddy. [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited October 13, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Thanks bro. I realized it wasn't the "traditonal" short cycle but it had to be done and I had the supplies laying around. Can you help me with a cycle using fina and winny. "short cycle" is what I want to do any ideas | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2021 |
I can try to give you a"generalization"because in all honesty,I'm not sure of fina's exact clearance time.The best way to hit these cyles is to start them off with a bang on the first day.The reason for this is you want to get blood stream levels up to an immediate-saturation point(the same kind of blood plasma levels that would normally be achieved after weeks of steady use.This way the substance is highly productive for you right off the bat.Let's just hypothetically say that fina has a clearance time of three days,and winstrol has a clearance time of one day(24hrs).On day one,I would do something like 300mgs fina,coupled with 200mgs of winny.The days following,I would do the winny at 50mg/daily and the fina at 150mgs eod.Stop the fina ater day 11,the winny at day 13-done!Just an example to play with,as I'm not sure on exact clearance times of these compounds,AND,that is really important when the goal is avoidance of inhibition of H-P-T-A function.Hope this kind of gives you a little rough draft to start with buddy. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Perfect Thanks for the insight. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2021 |
You bet buddy.I look forward to your finalization of its set-up,and then even more so,your results achieved!Good luck BigJay. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 622 |
I WANT TO GIVE THIS A TRY.....BUT HOW WOULD THIS SOUND.... 1 SHOT OF SUST(250MG)EVERYDAY FOR 2 WEEKS? ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2021 |
Flexmex-You must keep in mind the clearance time of the sust(3-4 weeks)with regard to impairment of H-P-T-A.Better choices of test would be suspension and propionate. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Prop is the way to Go. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 348 |
id say sust is pretty good in a "short" cycle sinc eit will self-taper after about 3 weeks this will help you keep your gains since you will have a little extra test then normal , i know this will affect nat. TEST production but its a thought | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 164 |
Folks, its simple, use drugs like test propionate, test suspension, d-bol, anadrol, winny, finiplix, haloteston, etc. etc... The longer acting drugs like enanthate, sustanon, deca, cypionate, primobolan depot, equipoise, etc... will NOT be as effective within a two week period. Also, you want them to clear out fast. Maybe take insulin with the 2 week phase of juicing to further enhance the gains. And if you are really into things, then add some DNP on the off period. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 207 |
HUCK...BigJay....or anyone.... would a ref-B/fina stack be okay for the 2 weeks, or do these two compounds not go well with each other? Thanks in advance ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 155 |
Big Jay, It's good to see you've given it a try with longer acting test. Now you can compare the results when you try prop. next time. These guys like who knock short cycles are just set in their ways but we've gotta stay ahead of the game bro. If it wasn't for pioneers like you, drexx, huck then we'd still be taking nothing but d-bol and milk and raw eggs! My short cycle starts in 6 weeks after a 4 week off period. I'm planning for 30 days cycle with testoviron dep in large amounts for the first week only then switching to propionate for the next two. Just gonna take off two weeks if my liver function comes back OK. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 375 |
Here was my experiment...enjoy. https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/09-2000/028532.html https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/Forum1/09-2000/029871.html End of week 2 I was 258lbs. Presently, I am still at 250lbs. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1105 |
HEEH short cycle with sustanon. Thats hillarious. ------------------  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 92 |
right on upjohn....let these queers waste gear with these pussy cycles.... dl20 | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
Twisted, I know I thought of it as funny also but I tried it and it actually worked, However it really wasn't a short cycle, I realize this but I assumed it would help people out by seeing what I received from it. Its the drug that everyone has and people are going to use it anyway for this so called "short cycle". Well its out of the way time for a real one. I will be useing Winny and Fina. I'll post the cycle up tonight. Pharm animal, Yes that stack would work fine becasue its in and out of your system quickly. It would be a real short cycle if done correctllyy. If you need some ideas just e-mail me. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1043 |
BigJay, that's only a 12 days cycle (no critique from me). If it was me i would have thaken shots day 11, 13 and 15, instead of onlyl shooting twice the second week. Phantom, you must be joking. Way not shoot EOD. What do you think Winny users do ? ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 78 |
I am seriously considering trying a short cycle, but I think I will use suspension as the backbone possibly with some winny and d-bol. any thoughts on dosing? I remember a while back e2 mentioned people [possibly macro] using doses of d-bol as high as 50mg/day for weeks at a time...which seems like an ideal level [ie really high]for a short cycle. Still in the planning stages though... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 375 |
I switched to prop after the first week. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 90 |
Upjohn: old enough to be his daddy, but acting like a kid? Doesn't make sense to me. Tronco, if you were planning ontaking dbol for a short cycle. I wouldn't doubt it if most people recommended 80-100mg/day. [This message has been edited by baza (edited October 13, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 881 |
quote: I wasn't going to respond to this but what the hell.... Yes I gained 8lbs my first week. So let me get this straight. Because I gained 8lbs I don't know shit about gear. I see! How did you get to that conclusion??? I know that Anabolic Androgenic steroids increase protein biosynthesis, increase oxygenation of the blood, promote the retention of nitrogen and they prevent catabolism. What else should I know? Enlighten me! I know it takes time to build muscle. Did I say I gained 8lbs of LBM in a week? No I did not. I said I gained 8lbs of weight... You are old enough to be my daddy. How old are you? How old do you think I am? How old do you think are mods are? Egearly waiting your intelligent feedback. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 240 |
I would like to see a response. |
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posted October 12, 2000 03:17 AM
