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BigJay81

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posted October 12, 2000 03:03 AM

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WELL THE TIME HAS COME TO SHARE THE INFO
---THIS WAS TAKEN FROM THE ROCKS BOARD-----
---ANIMAL WROTE THIS ORIGANLLY-----------

ENJOY THE INFO

This was a post made by Animal on Anibolic Extreme a few days ago...I cut and pasted it and a few replies...Make of it what you will, but we all know that Animal knows what he is talking about...
Now to the point and enjoy!

"A new bill was recently passed by Congress that amends a portion of the Controlled Substances Act (21USC956(a)). This amendment allows a United States resident to import up to 50 dosage units of a controlled medication without a valid prescription at an international land border. These medications must be declared upon arrival, be for your own personal use and in their original container. However, travelers should be aware that drug products which are not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration may not be acceptable for such importation. FDA warns that such drugs are often of unknown quality and discourages buying drugs sold in foreign countries.Please go to http://www.fda.gov/ora/import/ purchasing_medications.htm for further information. "

Now what this means for you:

Since FDA cannot assure the consumer that the drug purchased in the foreign country would be the same product his or her physician's prescription is written for, we recommend the product covered by the prescription be acquired in the United States.

HAHAHA! All they can do is recommend that you have a US doctor! **** you gov!

AS that would clear for sure are Tp, T, and Tu which are used for hypogonadism, but read this..... The guidance identifies circumstances in which FDA may consider exercising enforcement discretion and refrain from taking legal action against illegally imported drugs. Those circumstances are as follows:

"1) the intended use [of the drug] is unapproved and for a serious condition for which effective treatment may not be available domesticallyeither through commercial or clinical means;

You have a serious condition and there doesn't have to be an approved drug from the US!

2) there is no known commercialization or promotion to persons residing in the U.S. by thoseinvolved in the distribution of the product at issue; Yeehaw, that gives us dbol, anadrol, and deca and on and on and don't forget that clen for your asthma which is definately life threatening!

Ohh, and it gets better! 'or provides evidence that the product is for the continuation of a treatment begun in a foreign country." (Emphasis added)' I been in mex for a week, Dr FDA and they told me I need a gram a week or I'm dead!

'FDA's guidance is not, however, a license for individuals to import unapproved (and thereforeillegal) drugs for personal use into the U.S.'

That line is now in direct disagreement with subject 1 because who is deciding what is illegal?! The lawyers are gonna have a field day on this! Grind that justice system to dead stop!

Some funny shit! '�Avoid purchasing any drug products that are not approved for sale in the U.S. (including foreign-manufactured versions of U.S. approved drugs). FDA cannot assure that these products conform to the manufacturing and quality assurance procedures mandated by U.S. laws and regulations and, therefore, these products may be unsafe. In addition, such products are illegal in the U.S. and, therefore, may be subject to entry refusal;'

These goddamn ****ing dumbasses can'teven get into examine chinese pharm suppliers and when they do they are found to be holes and now th FDA is gonna tell us that 'drugs is bad' because we don't inspect them? Their inspections are shit!

Damn I shoulda been a lawyer! '�Some medications which may appear to be U.S. approved drug products may in fact be counterfeit versions of such products. (The term "counterfeit drug" is defined as "a drug which, or the container or labeling of which, without authorization, bears the trademark, trade name, or other identifying mark, imprint, or device, or any likeness thereof, of a drug manufacturer, processor, packer, or distributor other than the person or persons who in fact manufactured, processed, packed, or distributed such drug and which thereby falsely purports or is represented to be the product of, or to have been packed or distributed by, such other drug manufacturer, processor, packer, or distributor." See 21 U.S.C. 321(g)(2));'

Hey dumbass FDA guy! How in the hell am I supposed to know that was relabeled and is counterfeit! HAHAHA! Call your local lawyer!

'�It is against the law not to properly declare imported medications to U.S. Customs.' ooo, It's 'against the law' to speed, too! So what's the penalty! Call your lawyer, again!

We go back to their intro, though and this is key. Unapproved can be imported if not dangerous and for a noncommercialized treatment! wowee wow wow! Call your lawyer and go through TX!

Take anadrol for example and or clen. Both are used to treat life threatening illnesses and arenot commercial in the US, nor are they dangerous. Guess that's why my lawyer says I know more about the drug/chemical laws than he does!

The guidance identifies circumstances in which FDA may consider exercising enforcement discretion and refrain from taking legal action against illegally imported drugs. Those circumstances are as follows:

"1) the intended use [of the drug] is unapproved and for a serious condition for which effective treatment may not be available domestically either through commercial or clinical means; 2) there is no known commercialization or promotion to persons residing in the U.S. by thoseinvolved in the distribution of the product at issue; 3) the product is considered not to represent an unreasonable risk;

Anything is fair game that you can get a doc to prescribe in mex. The key term or creation of that latest bill is VAGUENESS. (Such poor wording and room for interpretation is one of the reasons my arrest was illegal and they can't touch me)

There is no specific mentioning of any drug or any chemical in that bill. Furthermore you have one agency that says it may be up to another agency to determine what to seize or allow. BINGO. Unless they come out and give mention of a specific class of chems or drugs, it's all fair game and in fact you could actually get a doctor to write you script for marijuana if you had cancer or some wasting disease and then go to Amsterdam and bring it back. That meets all the criteria AND it was even prescribed by a US doctor.

Another interesting point which is in direct juxtaposition to what actually happens is in another page of that site where they specifically mentioned valium and said it would be 'not legal' to bring it back because it's sold in the US. However, we know that even in TX, 12 yr olds can bring back all the 90 day supplies of valium as long as they had a script! So which 'law' are we to follow.

This bill just opened a free for all because the 'rules' will not be enforced across the board in an objective manner and the agencies won't even agree amongst themselves and private doctors and the pharm industry experts will also disagree, I guarantee and have seen it in action. NOw, if all those experts are at odds and can't agree amongst themselves then how can a 'regular citizen' be expected to know what 'laws' to follow and what would be allowed?!!!

It's a free for all! (Ted Nugent)

Anarchy in the USA!

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Before I have to answer a million emails on this thing let me make it clear that I'm saying you CAN get AS prescribed by a Mex doctor and that's what the bill says. Get him to declare you as having hypogonadism and any test is yours.

However, even better would be to have them to declare you as having some kind of 'wasting disease' and for this we have cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy, anemia, and on and on and then we have the king of all which you could have and is..........HIV!!!! Yea baby and that's right! What are they gonna do? Stand there and argue with you and ask you where your HIV card is? 'Gee Mr customs, I'll cut myself right here and you can send it to the lab to confirm it for me because my boyfriend and I are real worried. Please get me tested'! YIKES!

And then if they would somehow push the legal issue and in some way made you take a test and it came out negative, well....'Gee, the doc in mex said the test was pos! Guess I was scammed and it must have been a false positive. The sneaky little mexicans were just trying to make a buck off of me, but how happy my family will be!'

Eat shit, feds. False positives happen all the time.

Anarchy in the USA!

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.....How many have been paying attention to current events and what happened over the weekend? I'm sure many had multiple injections to do and couldn't be bothered so here it it surmised (sp): 'Texas told the federal government to **** off and that they (TX) will no longer support the federal govs drug war.'

Texas has run out of money to prosecute cases that the feds didn't want and it has bankrupted the texas judicial system. (YEEHAW!)

What happens is the feds take a case and when the case is not big enough to be federal, they would dump it into the Texas judicial system. Texas said they won't take the feds cases any longer as they are broke and it's a waste of time as more and more are choosing to fight long drawn out cases! (Score one for those that don't plea bargain or cough up their friends)

All in all this if very interesting because TX has some of the toughest prescription and marijuana laws of any state. Can't wait to hear what CA is gonna do after they see how this flies. If you are gonna do business, you may think of taking a working vacation to TX!

Anarchy in the USA!



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thefantom1

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posted October 12, 2000 03:29 AM

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No offense Jay..but in 2 sentences what does this mean????? My mind is a little cloudy tonight for 1 or 2 miller lites...... ;-)

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BigJay81

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posted October 12, 2000 03:49 AM

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It means that we and anyone can import for personal use. Across the border.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted October 12, 2000 03:53 AM

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ANY border in the states?


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thefantom1

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posted October 12, 2000 03:57 AM

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So I can order from a foreign source as long as I have script from a doc in that country for say...oh hell... sustanon..and customs lets it go through???

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YAKUZA

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posted October 12, 2000 04:18 AM

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Sounds too good to be true. Hope it is, but I don't want to be the one to find out.


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mightydog

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posted October 12, 2000 04:42 AM

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Anyone making a trip from up north down to Texas is welcome to stay with me. I'm in Bryan, TX and willing to help a brotha out.


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Dr.Atlas

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Wow. Any bros here lawyers (and would you admit it?). This sounds pretty cool, but before I start declaring my stuff across the border I'd like a second opinion. Interesting post Jay. Peace!

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Deltzilla

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posted October 12, 2000 09:36 AM

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I say we all throw in $100 and get some Mexican doc to write us a 'script for GH/Test/etc with 10000000000 refills. LOL!!!! What dirty little Mexican doc would turn down like $100,000? Kidding....

If I had my PhD I would open up a clinic down there and as far as I'm concerned you all would have HIV!!!


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kryptonite

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posted October 12, 2000 09:36 AM

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BUMP!!


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Tronco

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posted October 12, 2000 10:24 AM

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Sorry to piss on everbody's campfire but Animal is a bit off on his interpretation. Foreign prescriptions are not valid in the US. It has been ruled even domestic scripts that are granted over the internet [like all of those viagra web sites give] are not valid b/c they are not the product of a legitimate doctor patient interaction. Further, drugs that are produced domestically and then exported cant be re-imported legally [mostly as an anti-dumping measure], as we all know this is the strictest interpretation of the law and not always enforced, but the point is that it can be. I would even disagree with his statements about bringing clen into the US for asthma..its not an approved drug for asthma treatment in the US anymore [most likely b/c its bi-phasic and has be replaced by single phase treatemnts]. What I will agree with Animal on is that this does tend to make the law a bit more murky...which in my opinion gives us, at best, a little plausible deniabiltiy when we get pinched at the border.


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I'm with Tronco on this. ANimal has always been too eager to confront the law based on his own interpretations.

This law is to enable the FDA the time needed to provide testing of new products. If you have a legit need, legit script from a legit US doc, this law will allow you access to the new meds. It is an extension of the personal use laws only.

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gonna bump this one....seems interesting!
would like to see the info broken down into more laymens terms...as well as determine exactly how REAL and PRACTICAL this would be.

very interesting info and a great post though!


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BigJay81

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posted October 12, 2000 01:37 PM

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Sorry to lite the fire back up, but this law says you don't need a script just the fact that a dodctor said you needed the anabolics is good enough.


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posted October 12, 2000 02:30 PM

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Bump... any mods with more imput, or any lawyers with their thoughts


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Damn bros, give me about 4 more years to get my law degree, and I'll represent all of you! That's what we need, more doctors to 'prescribe' and lawyers to 'protect!'

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BigJay81

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posted October 12, 2000 02:55 PM

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Badkins, we need resident doctors for the board. I'll help pay the sallary.

That would be the best thing I could think of.


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BRICK

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posted October 12, 2000 03:02 PM

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interesting. i would like some more info. so BUMP!!


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OK This is long but read it....

BigJay here's some more of the legal background. Once again I will remind you foreign scripts arent valid in the U.S. and domestically produced drugs which are exported cannot be re-imported [there's alot of action in Congress on this topic right now]. In general most steroids are considered scedule III substances. So below is the legal requirements regarding schedule III substances. You can interpret it anyway you want, I'd just hate to see you in the klink explaining to the customs folks that animal said it was OK.

(3) Schedule III. -
 (A) The drug or other substance has a potential for abuse less
than the drugs or other substances in schedules I and II.
 (B) The drug or other substance has a currently accepted
medical use in treatment in the United States.
 (C) Abuse of the drug or other substance may lead to moderate
or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.

Sec. 829. Prescriptions
 (a) Schedule II substances
Except when dispensed directly by a practitioner, other than a pharmacist, to an ultimate user, no controlled substance in schedule II, which is a prescription drug as determined under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.), may be dispensed without the written prescription of a practitioner, except that in emergency situations, as prescribed by the Secretary by regulation after consultation with the Attorney General, such drug may be dispensed upon oral prescription in accordance with section 503(b) of that Act (21 U.S.C. 353(b)). Prescriptions shall be retained in conformity with the requirements of section 827 of this title. No prescription for a controlled substance in schedule II may be refilled.
 (b) Schedule III and IV substances
Except when dispensed directly by a practitioner, other than a pharmacist, to an ultimate user, no controlled substance in schedule III or IV, which is a prescription drug as determined under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.), may be dispensed without a written or oral prescription in conformity with section 503(b) of that Act (21 U.S.C. 353(b)). Such prescriptions may not be filled or refilled more than six months after the date thereof or be refilled more than five times after the date of the prescription unless renewed by the practitioner.
 (c) Schedule V substances
No controlled substance in schedule V which is a drug may be distributed or dispensed other than for a medical purpose.
 (d) Non-prescription drugs with abuse potential
Whenever it appears to the Attorney General that a drug not considered to be a prescription drug under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 301 et seq.) should be so considered because of its abuse potential, he shall so advise the Secretary and furnish to him all available data relevant thereto.

This is (21 U.S.C. 353(b))as referred to above:
Prescription by physician; exemption from labeling and
prescription requirements; misbranded drugs; compliance with
narcotic and marihuana laws
(1) A drug intended for use by man which -
(A) because of its toxicity or other potentiality for harmful
effect, or the method of its use, or the collateral measures
necessary to its use, is not safe for use except under the
supervision of a practitioner licensed by law to administer such
drug; or
(B) is limited by an approved application under section 355 of
this title to use under the professional supervision of a
practitioner licensed by law to administer such drug; shall be dispensed only (i) upon a written prescription of a practitioner licensed by law to administer such drug, or (ii) upon an oral prescription of such practitioner which is reduced promptly to writing and filed by the pharmacist, or (iii) by refilling any such written or oral prescription if such refilling is authorized by the prescriber either in the original prescription or by oral order which is reduced promptly to writing and filed by the pharmacist. The act of dispensing a drug contrary to the provisions of this paragraph shall be deemed to be an act which results in the drug being misbranded while held for sale.



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Sorry, brothers, but all this is total bullshit, and it's nothing new, anyway. This "recent change" happened ages ago, and does not apply to Schedule III controlled dangerous substances (like gear!). We've been talking about this whole "legal to import for personal use" thing for about a million years. Where you been? The Man is no dope, and it just ain't that easy.

I know you guys were feeling like Christmas came in October this year. Time to cancel those plane tickets to Tijuana, lads!

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I'm with Bjaarki. I seriously doubt it would apply to schedule III drugs.


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Loophole Genetics

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Lets just pretend that all of this is true, and we have found another loophole in the law to help us get big. First of all, without an American prescription, you are not going to be allowed by ANY customs officers to declare one single dose of any anabolic. The only way its getting across the border is if you sneak it. But, for arguements sake, lets say the loophole will allow you to bring 50 doses of your fave get big drug. Without an American prescription, you will go to jail if you get pulled over once in the United States and get caught with those legally declared steroids. Even today, you can for sure claim, lets say, 50 valiums, legally. If you get pulled over one mile or a thousand miles away from the border, and get caught with the valiums, your most likely going to jail (unless you have that American script). Keep dreamin' boys.


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BigJay81

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posted October 12, 2000 10:54 PM

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Up becasue I don't contribute


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yeah sure man try gettin some thais across the border.....

also what constitutes personal use?? huh

if this is true why are bros still gettin seizure letters huh

dumbshit

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BigJay81

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Read it before you post and you won't have to ask these questions


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komododragon

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Hold on now! Nothing has changed. Importation is still a matter of discretion for the customs agent that is doing the inspection.
The new guidelines (which is all they are), allow for some new guidelines for imporation of non US approved drugs, for legit medical reasons.
OK now, you go down to TJ for the weekend, you look like a buff tanned 24 year-old surf freak, you gotta a 'script from a Dr. Gonzales in Rosarito, you cross the boarder with 30 amps of primo and 50 amps of test-cyp...and you've gotta a notoarized affidavit that you made up in Fallbrook that sayz you are suffing from HIV and anthophyhing gonads.
Guess what's next...the agents is gonna look at you and say, I want a US physician to certify this. Prove to me you are sick as you say you are...and when you can't you know what they are gonna do, they are gonna charge with fraud and illegal imporation.
My suggestion is don't push you luck UNLESS you really are sick and you really need Med that are not available in the US.


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posted October 13, 2000 09:01 AM

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well, its good for you all U.S. fellows.


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posted October 13, 2000 10:31 AM

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Bros,
I am an attorney, and my reading of the above tells me nothing will change re: bringing personal use gear across the border. I have no federal criminal law experience, but I believe Komododragon hit the nail on the head...if the particular Customs inspector to whom you "declare" your goods decides to jam you up, you will sit in a holding cell pending a doctor's determination that you have a "serious condition" requiring AAS...further, these are federal guidelines, and if you are pulled over by a state cop one mile down the road, you're going to get booked for possession of a controlled substance under STATE law...finally, what constitutes "50 dosage units" of test cyp?


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posted October 13, 2000 11:49 AM

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Exactly ferrus....it is very individually interpretive....and I think the majority of people aren't reading the whole thing.


This is not going to apply to people who go down to TJ for a day..."I felt wierd on my one day vaction, went to see a doc, and found out I need emergny treatment for AIDS. See my script..." Re-Read or just Read it....and think about what it says...


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Bjaarki

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posted October 13, 2000 12:34 PM

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Thanks to komododragon and Ferrus for some useful posts on this thread. There is just nothing to this "new change" hype, brothers. It's still business as usual.

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triton

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posted October 13, 2000 04:56 PM

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Think this is alot of info to digest, but seems well worth the read.


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posted October 13, 2000 09:35 PM

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It was worth the read, at least to me...thanks buddy!

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vette87

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posted October 13, 2000 11:50 PM

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You can import gear into the U.S.if you know the law..
Fact: 105th Congress 2nd session
H.R. 3633
" Controlled Substances Trafficking Prohibition Act "

SEC. 2. Limitation.

Any individual who enters the US through a land border with MEXICO with a controlled substance( except substance in schedule 1) for which such individual does not possess a prescription written by a practitioner licensed under the authority of this act or documentation which verifies such a prescription and who meets the requirements or paragraph 1 may bring a controlled substance(except a substance in schedule 1) into the US but only in an amount--
A. Which is not more than 50 dosage units.

Please note this does not apply to Vet gear..
You have to get it from the Farmacia..
Also, this is only for FDA approved drugs..
FDA approved: Deca, TEST, A-Bombs, Winstrol Tabs.

Research People!!

Later,
Raul


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Burnboy

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posted October 14, 2000 01:06 AM

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you can get mexican scripts for like 5 bucks but they wont make having the drugs in america legal


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posted October 15, 2000 06:57 AM

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I'm bumping this back up because it's a good read. LATE


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