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 ideas on making fina injectable....
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 384 |
I saw the post a few days ago on making fina injectable w/ oil......and I've heard that mixing it with propylene glycol and heating it up in the microwave would work. Are there any other thoughts or ideas on how to safely make fina injectable without the kit? Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Or if anyone knows the chemicals to make a kit......thanks bros     | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 5143 |
why on earth wouldn't you buy the kit????? it's on 25$ for a single kit, makes no sense to me to start messing around with it yourself to save 25$ IF you get the pellets and kit, 2000mg of tren is the cheapest steroid around. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 80 |
It's not the cost $$ exactly.What about the cost ?? with animals kits.You kind of have to believe that magic disolving liquid is O.K.I think it is safe common ingrediants conveniantly pacaged for a fair price in $$.Still,why can't the fuckin bastard tell us what"magic disolving liquid"is???Hell,the price of the flasks and filters(in single lots)is worth more then the big secretive shithead is charging for the whole kit. I hope animal is reading this...you animal..you piss off the near scientists amongst us with the magic bit. Trouble is the bastard animals right.I ain't smart enough to do a better job without his help for thrice the price.It makes me want to do it all myself anyway though.Magic me ass. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 250 |
Why do you post crap like this? You are a >>>>>>>>>PUKE<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Maybe if you learn instead of bitching you wouldn't have to make remarks towards such a good bro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 80 |
I think we need a kit with labeled ingrediants.Come on,like how many of us will decide to copy it and do it ourselves to save ??? $ ?.You can't do it cheaper cause you can only buy this kind of stuff in large quantities.I'm not saying Animal's giving you a bad deal,he's not.Why is he pulling this "magic ingrediant" shit on us? Animal!if you read this..remember my cattle will grow better if they can sleep assured. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2056 |
LOL bigJay.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 187 |
how about you stop acting like a douche bag and just buy his kits. tons of people on here have used his kits and are still alive so just buy it or shut your mouth. zeus | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 139 |
Keep in mind Animal is in it to make money, so why should he tell everyone what's in the kits? I know EXACTLY what is in the kits and b/c of my profession I can get all the ingredients. But I still buy it from Animal. With all the vials, syringes, fliters, oils, and such...it's alot more conveinent to just buy the kits. The "magic dissolving solution" is not easy to get anyway. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5143 |
Well donald i certainly dont' appreciate you bashing animal at all, he's one of the very few bros out there who's looking out for OUR interests. If you were such an asipring scientist then you'd get off your lazy ass take a kit and test it for ingredients i know i have and i know exactly what's in them, too bad i'm not going to tell you. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 384 |
On the record, I definately would buy the kit...but from what I understand he is away and also backordered for a couple of months in addition to not returning my e-mail. I have a lot of respect for the guy...and I am in no way trying to disrespect him. It's not the cash E-2, $25.00 is very inexpensive and for putting together the kits, he's doing everyone a great service by giving such a good a deal. I will order the kits when he e-mails me back and is ready to take orders but in the mean time...for this cycle I was just asking what the safest and most effective way to make fina injectable would be...Anyone?? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 131 |
What's all this business about him being out of stock? Before he left, he said he was good to go to send... I don't know what the deal is | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 384 |
I'm just going by what I've seen posted, do you think I'm being misinformed?? People have said that he was away and backordered until late November early December....I should probably just wait to hear from the man himself...does anyone know how long he's going away for? I e-mailed him last week w/o any reply. | ||
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Novice 
Posts: 10 |
Animal is straight up 100% As far as being back ordered I believe this is just for Anastozole. I just recieved my brewing kit in 3 days. you need to be put on his mailing list bro and stop the bashing | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 80 |
I took 40 20 mg.pellets,crushed them and dissolved them in acetone.The binder does not disolve in acetone(read that in T mag).I poured the mixture through a coffee filter to trap the binder. After letting the acetone evaporate(2 days)I scrapped the tren out of the bowl with a razor blade(so use a round bowl).This yielded a yellowish crystaline substance that weighted exactly .8gram,on a precision digital scale,just as would be expected if this was all the tren in the pellets. This I presume could be added to a small volume of vegatable oil,heated for strerility,and preserved with a small amount of benzl alcohol.It would be better to filter it but I don't know where you can buy small lots of filters,vials etc. Animals kit is a good deal,but I would just use it for the equiptment,and extract the tren with the acetone methode so as to avoid injecting magic whatever.Because the binders are already removed,I bet the filter wouldn't clog and could be used to make many grams worth,assuming you had enough vials etc. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 139 |
I'm a chemist and I wasn't gonna respond, but DON'T USE ACETONE!!!!! If it's not totally evaporated it is VERY toxic and can blind you if injected. And don't think by heating veggie oil it's gonna make it sterile. NO WAY!! You need to buy the oil sterilized. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 400 |
"This I presume could be added to a small volume of vegatable oil,heated for strerility,and preserved with a small amount of benzl alcohol." Tren acetate has poor solubility in oil alone, you might get 10-20mg/ml. You need a second solvent which is miscible in oil, like benzyl alcohol, ethanol, propylene glycol/polysorbate 80 mix, etc. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 80 |
Cockzl's advice sounds good,I have never tried to disolve the stuff in oil so he may be right. Delt,are you aware that acetone is present at all times in the body as a metabolite of ketones?The acetone evaporates readily and I have my doughts,I suppose a molecule may remain in the dry residue,I'm not a chemist or expert.However,I have done tons of work with fiberglass and we washed the epoxy off our hands with acetone.Acetone is a transdermal substance(like isopropyl and dmso)and when you wash your hands with it you get some in your body resulting in a mild buzz.Obviously you don't want to inject any real amount of it,but it's not unnatural or toxic in tiny amounts. There is no logic to buying sterile oil and then adding unsterile tren powder to it.Then again,you could sterilize the tren by dissoling it in alcohol as Cockzl suggests.In any event,I would heat the resulting product in a double boiler after putting it in the final vial and adding the benzle alcohol to it. Warning!My writing about this doesn't mean that I have tried it and know it's safe,I haven't! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 384 |
so would it work if I disolved the powder in say 10ml of propylene glycol then added 10ml of oil...then heat the mixture up a couple of times then inject? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 250 |
No it would not work. Go to school this is simple stuff. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 384 |
Listen bro (bigjay)....I did go to school, but not for Chemistry..It may be simple for you, but I don't have too much knowledge on soluability or the toxicity of these substances that fina can be mixed with....that is why I'm looking for answer....if it's so simple then answer my original question!!! [This message has been edited by whodaman (edited October 12, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 250 |
I didn't go to school for this either, but it is knowledge that I have learned through experiment and being around the boards for 4 years. Do a little research and the anwser will come. No don't do what you mentioned | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 209 |
donal smoothy, why dont you just call coca-cola and ask them whats in their drink so you can make your own. Its a business. He could jack up his prices if he wanted and people would still buy, and he know this but keeps the prices at a good price. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 533 |
Guys for your info you can sterilize oil by heating it! Its very simple...How do you think they sterilize all bottled products. At work(hospital) we sterilize all sorts of homedae brews made by pharmacist for doctors. The process of heating the oil after its in the bottle at 250 degrees for 30min and let it cool(repeat process) is fine. I make fina every month or so and have never have a customer problem! I use plan oil that I filter and I also use acetone to breakdown the binders. You guys can by the kits from animal ....he is a great guy to deal with but it can be done safe without kits. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 400 |
"so would it work if I disolved the powder in say 10ml of propylene glycol then added 10ml of oil...then heat the mixture up a couple of times then inject?" You may be able to get 1-2 grams in PG this way, but it is not that miscible in oil. You would wind up with a solution that would remain separate, and the tren would be mostly in the PG portion. This could be shaken to produce an emulsion, and then quickly draw from. This is why I stated PG/polysorbate 80 mix, cause the P80 acts as a detergent to solvate the oil and PG, plus P80 is relatively non-toxic. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 86 |
Interesting discussion that I'm learning from & enjoying. Just wanted to chime in and ask BigJay81 that if he's only gonna bash fellow bro's and not give out any of that 4 year knowledge he claims to have then why post at all? It's one thing to play mentor to newbies, but the bro asked you politely twice and you told him where to get off. If your labeling yourself a vet whose here to help.........I DON"T NEED ANY OF YOURS! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 250 |
Listen beefmaster, I help people when they don't fuck around with other people or if they have tried to work out the problem themselves. He obviously didn't try to figure it out, like most people he just asked a question without doing the work. I worked for my knowledge. If you have to question me you havn't asked for my help before. I help all who try first. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 219 |
i concur with the BEEFMASTER...i have never seen BigJay contribute anything useful, other than rants and 'pissed off' posts...post something useful with your 4 years' worth of research and experience! DISCLAIMER: just my opinion! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 79 |
If he would have seen me face to face, I don't think he would post me a puke like he did before. I guess 1 day I will actually find him myself. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 384 |
quote: I hope you are not trying to say that I ever fucked around with anyone on this board....if you will re-read my post, I asked a question...Donald was the one that was talking shit about Animal. I never agreed with a thing he said. You also said "I work for my knowledge"...well dick all you have shown me in this thread is ignorance and stupidity.....and I have researched this topic and I found a few ways that fina can be made injectable....I was just trying to find out what was the best way to do it. So if you don't want to help...SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!!! Thank you to the helpful brothers who had some good info for me, it is greatly appreciated. I think I'll take E-2's advise though and wait until I can get my hands on a kit. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 187 |
whodaman, i think u were misenformed about animal being out of kits. i just recieved two kits last weeek so i highly doubt he's out of them. good luck. zeus | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 384 |
Thanks Zeus....I'll e-mail him again...I e-mailed him once last week....I just don't want to piss him off. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 239 |
u will either use the kit or you wont, why dont it just get left at that! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 42 |
IS there ANY other way to get a fina kit other than ordering from ANIMAL?? i'd like to start my fina A.S.A.P. and i really dont wanna wait till ANIMAL is "good and ready" to send one out. i remember seeing a website that sold them but a cant remember the phuckin web addy. damn, now i dont know what do do. any info/advice on getting a kit somewhere OTHER than ANIMAL would be appreciated bros! thanks and PEACE THE EXTREME | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 384 |
I'd like to know too bro...so I'll bump this again... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 250 |
Yes, but it is $50 bucks for the same package. If you need info e-mail me. |
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posted October 11, 2000 11:35 PM
