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MONSTROSITY

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posted October 11, 2000 09:31 PM

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does anyone know a source of info on the ratios......


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bigrand

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posted October 11, 2000 09:41 PM

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me too. Androgens suck balls.


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Pharm Animal

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posted October 11, 2000 10:06 PM

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in most cases, the more anabolic a steroid is, the more androgenic it is....it's due to the nature of the receptors....both androgenic and anabolic receptors can take up any anabolic steroid ...i don't know exact ratios, but i will post an abbreviated list with what i have experienced on a scale of 1 to 10 concerning anabolic/androgenic effects <note....i said 'with what i have experienced'....these will be a bit off from the textbook values>:

COMPOUND........anabolicity....androgenicity
test............5..............5
primo...........4..............0
winny...........5..............2
d-bol...........6..............8
fina............5..............10
EQ..............6..............3
deca............don't like it!!!

like i said...these values are based on MY OWN OPINION, so please don't flame me...heh heh heh.....if anyone would like to throw the book values onto this post, feel free

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P.A.


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madmitch

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posted October 12, 2000 04:49 AM

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Ok Monstrosity I posted these before on another topic, but just for you.

Anabolic/Androgenic

Anavar 484/24
primobolan 500/20
Dianabol 90/40
Testosterone 100/100
Winstrol 200/33
Parabolan 500/500

And as I said before, everyone is different. Some people will find that they grow best on high anabolic steroids, while others gain best on high androgenic steroids.

Arnolds favorite stack was Dianabol and Primo and as you can see from the ratios above that is a predominantly anabolic stack.

There was a post resently called "Primobolan is the shit" in which some guy's claimed that primo was the best steroid. But you will get others who say that primo is a crap steroid and only of use to women or for pre competition time. The fact is that primobolan is 5 times more anabolic than testosterone. However not everyone will make great gains on primo why? because everyone is different.

I personally believe that the high androgens like Test and Para are more anti catabolic than anabolic in nature. In other words even if you take a shit load of protein while on something like Test, if your calories are not high enough you will not experience much growth. Where as the high anabolics like Primo or winstrol require a high protein diet, yet you can still gain on low calories why? because they are predominantly tissue building (anabolic).


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted October 12, 2000 11:50 AM

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Mitch-Thanks for posting those ratios.Useful information....


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Donald Smoot

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posted October 12, 2000 12:12 PM

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Not to make you mad Mitch,but your theory about high androgens needing high calories to gain doesn't account for the action of trenbalone.More androgenic then anything,it is famed as a cutting drug.


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bigrand

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posted October 12, 2000 05:00 PM

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i dont see why anyone would want to take a highly androgenic drug. All you want is the anabolic properties not all the fucked up properties of androgenic effects.


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MONSTROSITY

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posted October 12, 2000 07:16 PM

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bigrand,
you are very wrong..........if you are not concerned about androgens then you are not concerened about cognitive function, healthy libido and high energy. Without ample androgens in the system, be it synthetic or natural you will drag your ass around and your performance will be nil. Try it.............. get your test real low and see how you feel. Androgens are what make us MEN.


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