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 Gyno and puberty
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 555 |
I've asked all my friends who have taken AS at one point or another in their lives, and I am starting to come to a conclusion here. This conclusion is that if you are around 18 years old, your natural test levels are still basically what they were when you started puberty. A state of "perpetual" puberty, as far as your hormones are concerned if you will. Two of my friends have had gyno trouble in the past when they first experimented....around the age of 18. Now in their late 20's, they take large amounts of test and d-bol and see no sides. Personally, I've taken moderate amounts of test and heavy d-bol with no aggression or the slightest amount of nipple problems. I basically get all the gains and none of the sides. All my other friends who started in their 20's don't really have any sides either. So the pattern that I am seeing, is that if you are still a kid, you are taking a huge risk. My friends said the same thing.....gear affected them to a much greater negative degree when they were younger. You are stacking your naturally high test levels with additional test, thus greatly increasing your chances of trouble. I make no apologies if I'm upsetting the children who read this board, because we have told you this time and time again. I'm just reporting it as I see it. I'd like to hear more from other vets on their experiences with this topic.     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 618 |
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD HAVE LOOKED INTO THAT BEFORE THEY MADE STEROIDS ILLEGAL. KIDS MAY BE PART OF THE BLAME FOR STEROIDS BEING CRIMINALIZED. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 555 |
Amen to that, JUICESEEKER. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1102 |
Although Im against teen use of AAS, due to overwhelming numbers of stupid teenagers, I highly doubt you rational is plausable! We are talking about 5-20mg of test production. Thats not alot of testosterone from our perspective. But, who knows maybe its far deeper than either of us realize. ------------------  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 174 |
I'll bump T.S. on that one | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1102 |
Natural growth is not so much predicated on testosterone volume as it is with time, training, and diet. Most of you would have heart attacks seeing my gyms owner at 245lbs 5% bodyfat entering his first bodybuilding contest 6 years ago! Never touched a drug in his life. There is no way his natural testosterone levels could ever approximate the average low dose cycle most juice heads experiment with. Yet, how do you explain his phenomenal muscularity? In other words there's alot more to this game than just high serum testosterone levels. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 555 |
I'm glad you jumped in on this one T_S. That's what I don't know.....and my theory is that during puberty, all of the hormones necessary for growth are in full swing. Maybe the exact ratios of each that the body produces causes a synergistic effect? Maybe adding exogenous testosterone or its derivatives causes such an imbalance with the other "raging" hormones that we see so many problems? Like I said, I'm calling it as I see it. Personally, my emotions are completely different vs. 7 years ago when I was 18. Back then, I was very aggressive at times....I got feelings of aggression easily, just sitting on the couch. Not beligerent or irrational mind you, but feelings that I had to go punch a heavy bag, or let off steam. Now, even when my cycle is in full swing, I'm mellow. My friends who were hot-heads as teens are the same way....mellow. But these same guys would go looking for fights back in the day when they were on. Like I said, all things considered with respect to the amounts of test naturally vs. supplemental, it's a mystery. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 446 |
INTERESTING CHEMIST AND TWISTED. I AM 19 AND HAVE THOUGHT THE SAME THING. THERE IS A LOT MORE TO THE WHOLE THING THAN NAT. TEST LEVELS. I PESONALLY DON'T THINK THEY MEAN MUCH WHEN CONSIDERING HOW MUCH MUSCLE A KID PUTS ON BECAUSE AN ADOLESCENT ONLY PRODUCES SO MUCH TEST. WHEN EACH PERSON IS PRODUCING THEIR MAXIMAL AMOUNT OF NAT TEST IS WHEN CONDITIONS WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST TO GROW BUT WHEN COMPARING A KID WHO PRODUCES 5MG. OF TEST TO A KID WHO PRODUCES 12MGS IT PROBABLY DOESN'T MATTER. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST QUESTIONS IN BODYBUILDIN THAT HAVE TO BE ANSWERED. MY QUESTION IS WHY AREN'T ANY STUDIES BEING DONE TO FIGURE THIS OUT?? -ALSO BCHEMIST, WOULDN'T U ONLY BE STACKING THE NAT. TEST AND THE SYNTHETIC TEST DURING THE FIRST 2 WEEKS SINCE, TEST LEVELS SHUT DOWN AROUND 2 WEEKS? [This message has been edited by ItalianSweetness (edited October 12, 2000).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 555 |
According to what we understand, yes. But maybe the hpta is less sensitive as a teen. More research should be done....even if only to further medicine. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 724 |
I've taken what I consider medium range amounts of test up to 1200mg per week and I have never had gyno, and I don't use clomid, nova, or anything eles until after the cycle. I am 27YO. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 913 |
5-20mg of test production is enough test to make your average 'natural' weight training male VERY MUCH larger and leaner than your average 'natural' weight training female. I would not discount it as an insignificant amount! I agree with bchemist that more research would be a good thing. Sooooo many high school boys are using AS now that it is naive to the point of negligent to not study what goes on in their bodies when they take exogenous hormones. It may be something as simple as adolescents have a lot more aromatase floating around, or more estrogen receptors. For whatever reason, I think it's clear that males should not be taking test before their natural production has peaked. I remember reading a study that showed that it was the estrogen that caused bad tempers/moods in males, NOT the testosterone. |
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posted October 11, 2000 05:44 PM