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 Is this normal guys?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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Ok, i started my Dbol, test, & EQ cycle on the first of October. This past Saturday night, i started getting sore nips, and i could tell gyno was on the way. So i stopped taking that shitty clomid, and went to Nolvadex. Well, i dont feel full anymore, i feel like i have lost size, etc. And i weighed, and im about the same as i was on Saturday before i started taking the Nolvadex. WTF? I mean, does this really make you feel like your never going to grow? I just hope that something kicks into gear because this sucks. Im currently still taking 30mg/D of dbol. 1000mg Aratest the first week, & 700mg of Ultragan the first week. 2nd week, i started pyramiding down, slightly. What is the deal guys? ------------------     | ||
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Guru 
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CLOMID AND NOLVADEX ARE NOT INTERCHANGABLE. CLOMIDS MAIN USE IS TO KEEP YOUR NATRUAL TEST PRODUCING (prevent shutdown and crashes - a benfit is it has a small anti-estrogen type effect) NOLVADEX's MAIN USE IS AS AN ANTIESTROGEN. Dont stop the clomid, and it isn't shitty its how your using it all that is shitty. The nolvadex is cutting all the water gains - which arent permaneant anyway they just make you feal good while your on and bad when your off (b/c they all leave soon after the cycle). You should still be gaining lean muscle. Slopain ------------------ For a good time click here: Search and Profiles (300Kleens Board) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 137 |
Ok, so you say im using this all shitty then? Well what should i do? Keep taking the Nolvadex at 40mg per day, and still take the clomid EOD too? Yes, i know that clomid is supposed to help you out during a cycle and somewhat keep estrogen levels lower right? Well, i also know that no matter what, if your natural test levels are shut down, that nothing can bring them back to normal if you are on the sauce. Only after your cycle is up, is clomid actually doing what it is supposed to be doing, and that is increasing a persons natural test level. So, would clomid, in your opinion, still be benificial to take during my cycle, and afterwards? Also, on the Nolvadex thing....yeah, man i can feel like im losing water weight. I know that i should be gaining lean mass, but i just need to be patient and wait for the test and eq to kick in. Maybe i just need to buy some Arimidex, and spend the extra cash. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 18 |
the nolvadex would be a better choice i think, you would be better off decreasing any estrogen production, while it also helps cut the water out, allowing you to show more lean muscle. while your gonna lose the water anyway, its better to not have it at all in the process. as for the feeling of lost size, it is probably mental. but it could be hormonal. the change in hormones sometimes causes awkward feelings such as depression. but its very temporary. ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
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The nolvadex is releasing the estrogenic edema you were retaining.It's just water bro.Better to shed some water than grow a set of knockers,any day. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 137 |
Yah, sting, i think its mental, but i do feel pretty depressed since i started taking the Nolvadex. Its like, im afraid to even take it, but i know it is doing me good, so i still do. Im gonna continue taking 40mg per day until Friday, and then go to 20mg a day. Hopefully that will work, and i wont have to take so much. Huck, you are right as always.....losing a little water is better than fat tits! I just hate that i am prone to gyno ya know. So many people i see have NO signs of it, and they take so much juice its not even funny. And the funny thing, is that a few of them say "ive never used Nolva or Clomid at all". Makes me sick  How long should this depression shit last? I wanna gain some size! This is killing me! ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2416 |
Let me tell you I am in week 4 of a cycle that includes a gram of test a week, the depression just let up Im not talking depressed b/c of the weight I have been putting on, but a moody feeling, it sucks and its part of the game when fucking with hormones. You know it will let up, and when it does its awesome, I never had it with the lower levels of test but at a gram I did feel it. Not like I was going to commit suicide but, at times just an overall shitty feeling. Im not sure if this is even what you meant, but just in case someone else is wondering why they are feeling crappy after just starting or just ending a cycle. Slopain | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 137 |
Yeah Slopain, you are right. Im also taking a gram of Test a week, among a few other things, and the depression has set in pretty bad. I am just in a shitty mood, i feel like my fiance hates me, and that i have nothing to look forward to. I should be more happy because im on the sauce! haha! Hopefully this will let up, cause its driving me crazy. Plus this early stage of gyno that i caught hasnt helped out with my depression at all. ------------------ | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2416 |
My friend try 2 infections, a worklife that cuts into some workouts makes it impossible to get your calories, all resulting in slow gains. Trust me you will feel better, this happens and we know it so it makes it a bit easier knowing that by week 4 or so you will be COMPLETELY out of it, feeling better then before you started. Just don't make any heavy decisions because emotional and mentally your not dealing with the 'real you' so to speak, things will be shitty just put up with it for a while, knwoing that you can count the days until its gone - then as bad as it got it will get that much better plus some! I am currently doing some research on anti-depressents for that first phase which only lasts a month or so for something short acting to elevate mood without altering too much in my lifestyle (sides). Good luck, and keep you head up! Also look at it this way these gains that you do get now are so much more permaneant than the bloaty water gains. Slopain | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 137 |
Thanks so much for your kind words, Slopain. I really appreciated that. I will do what i can to keep a strong frame of mind that when the 3 to 4 week mark gets here, i will start seeing some major changes. Only a couple of weeks to go! But yeah, i would rather keep the bloated look out, the more i think about it, because im sure it can really mess with your head when you come off the sauce and lose 10 pounds of water weight. That would be terribly depressing! Thanks again! ------------------ |
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posted October 11, 2000 10:36 AM