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Author | Topic: Okay all you short cycle enthusiasts..... | ||
Guru Posts: 2016 |
I see a lot of misconceptions of what constitutes a"short cycle"going on lately.I constantly hear so and so talk about"Yeah,I'm planning on doing a short cycle that will consist of four weeks of test".This is missing the whole benificial strategem behind this newer"fad"type of cycling,and I'll explain why that is--2 WEEKS is the maximum one should be"on",for the following reasons:In the first two weeks of high androgen levels,pituitary response to Leutenizing-Hormone-Releasing-Hormone(LHRH)not only does not decrease,it actually IMPROVES(Which basically means your pituitary is sensitized,and therefore leutinizing hormone output is increased,which is obviously quite benificial).BUT-AFTER THE 2 WEEK POINT:The pituitary rapidly becomes unresponsive to L-H-R-H.Thus,both the Hypothalamus(which produces L-H-R-H)and the Pituitary(which produces Leutenizing Hormone)are now in a state of inhibition,and must ride out a longer recovery process.The moral here is,from a SUPPRESSIONAL standpoint--You guys that are stretching your cycles out past the two week point might as well just do the standard 8 week cycles,since full inhibition has already occurred.If kept to 14 days and under,recovery is almost immediate,as only the hypothalamus has to recover,not the pituitary.Here's some helpful hints for staying within the time frame,thus reaping the benifits behind this particular method of cycle:Stick to orals and injectibles with short acting esters.Any of the orals are acceptable as they all have fast clearance times out of the body.Suitable injectibles include:Suspensions(Aqueous,Winstrol)acetates,propionates,and phenylpropionates.Hope this clears up some of the misconceptions and helps any of you fellas thinking about experimenting with this method in the future.---Huck | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 200 |
thanks huck...you've sparked my interests in short cycles.... are there any examples that anyone out there has for short cycles? i would love to see some examples ------------------ | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 99 |
A typical short cycle consists of steroids with a short half-life. For example: Weeks1+2: 1. Dianabol: 50mg(5 times 10mg/day) Arimidex+Novaldex throughout W1+W2, and W3 Gains could range anywhere from 8-10lbs of muscle if you eat enough. | ||
Guru Posts: 2016 |
Please keep this at the top for a while fellas,just to clear up any confusions or misconceptions...... | ||
Guru Posts: 2463 |
lol yeah Ive seen some "short" cycle running sus for 4 weeks? I ask them for their logic and they say well Ill do 4 weeks on 2 off and then 4weeks on again and keep repeating that! WTF? heheh more like a 4 weeks on and 2 week bridge with the sus. At this time Im not a big fan of the short cycle for mass, but am still open. Slopain | ||
Pro Bodybuilder Posts: 560 |
Great post APE. It's something to consider for the future. Fonz, your logic is flawed. I don't think that it is possible to gain 8-10 lbs of contractile muscle proteins in 2 weeks. Maybe 4-6 and the rest water. My personal suggestion 100mg suspension EOD | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 630 |
Okay, so you do the two weeks on, fast recovery... how long do you wait to before going back on? two weeks? How long can you keep this up? Has anyone tried? ------------------ "Obsession is passion. Use it. Make it your strength." -by Puc | ||
Guru Posts: 2016 |
Yeah Slo,they're completely missing the whole point,which is to avoid inhibition,or at least have very little,with a speedy recovery of the H-P-T-A. | ||
Guru Posts: 2016 |
Fish:It is ran in a two weeks on,four weeks off pattern.The idea is to return the body to a complete state of homeostasis in between cycles.This would normally take longer when inhibition is present for longer periods. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 630 |
Have you tried this? Do you gain the same/more/less in a year, than with longer cycles/longer off time? ------------------ "Obsession is passion. Use it. Make it your strength." -by Puc | ||
Guru Posts: 2016 |
I can't necessarily say that you're going to gain more than doing long cycles but lets use a little speculation here:With this particular formula(2 on,4 off)you could potentially do 8 short cycles a year.Let's just say you only gained 3-4 lbs total lean body mass from each one.At the end of one year,you would have accrued between 24-32lbs of lean muscle,if all goes well.But more importantly,during this time,you will have never completely suppressed your natural testosterone levels!Interesting,if nothing else,hehheh. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 630 |
I think it is very interesting. After I go off cycle, I stay motivated for about a month. Then I strugle to complete a good day. With the 2 weeks on 4 off, I could avoid this problem. Something to look into. ------------------ "Obsession is passion. Use it. Make it your strength." -by Puc | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 78 |
My guess is that someone who only does 2 wk.cycles may have a higher natural T level then if they shrunk and grew back(perhaps only partialy)their nuts several times a year. So a 2 wk. cycler should eventually maintain at a larger size(off gear) then if they had done longer cycles. The only advantage of 2 week cycles is to maximize your natural T production,as a gear user.I depends on if you believe your nuts grow back all the way no problem.If you are worried about that,quit gear at 2 weeks before they begin to shrink in the first place. I gained about 5lbs. and 10% strength that I have kept from a 12 day tren cycle about a month ago.Another thing no one has mentioned is that it's easier to be"good"for 14 days then 50+in a row.Perfect diet,max work etc. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1043 |
2 on, 4 off, well a lot of guys will not be interested. Simply because they will be longer OFF the juice then ON. Interesting post though. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 164 |
This has been discussed in Duchaine's Dirty Dieting Newsletter by both Alexander Philipides and George Gionis. Weeks 1 & 2: 150 mg per day of Test. Prop.(in the morning) along with 250 mg. of aminoglutethimide and 50 mg. of Proviron twice every day. Weeks 3-6: 0.5 mg. of Arimidex per day. "The average LBM increase over [a] one year period was between 11-13 kg.(24-28.5 lbs.). And once again the blood examinations conducted consistently every six weeks demonstrated that the efficacy of this practice was coupled by utmost safety". | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 200 |
interesting for sure...thanks guys for the feedback and cycle structures...but i need much more knowledge on this subject....i will let you all know if i decide to try it, and will keep you guys updated with my progress...meanwhile keep the info/theories coming ------------------ | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 219 |
Bump good info bro!!! Thanx!!! ------------------ | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 199 |
Would a nandralone, like nandralone phenylpropionate (Durabolin), half life approximately 8 days, work with this? I know nandralones seem to work better in longer cycles, but I'm curious. Peace! ------------------ | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 54 |
I would definately be interested in trying this. ive always done a longer cycle with great results but ill try anything once! good post! BUMP!! | ||
Moderator Posts: 1653 |
It makes sense to a point but I would like to see some real world experience with this, I personally dont see a point in taking a cycle over 6-8 weeks tops anyhow...I always wondered why some guys go 20 weeks bulking at a time...its a real waste.. Great post APE, ------------------ | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 1030 |
The only problem i have is that Deca is the primary drug I can use do to availability in my area. Shit takes damn near 4 weeks just to start working. I like to bulk with anadrol-50, test, and deca my first month, drop the A-50 my second month but continue packing in the chow, and then lean up the third month on 600mgs.test/400 deca. | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 143 |
I just finished a short cycle with not good results. However I took only 2weeks off from an 8week cycle. Also I couldnt find any suspansion and proprionate would take a couple of weeks to come; I couldnt wait. That is what I did: Week1 1000mg test enanth 800mg primobolan 40mg bdol 50mg proviron 1/2tab arimidex per day of first week. week2 off. | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 81 |
Is it necessary to do higher quantities for a shorter time? Or could you say do moderate dosages for 2 on/4 off for a year and still get/keep good gains. I'm thinking of something like test enthanate. It seems to me like if you don't shock your body as much with large amounts of weight gain in a short period of time it'd be easier to keep the gains. | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 155 |
OK, F*ck it, I'll try it, I'll be a guiniepig. As soon as I get back off my hols in six weeks after a four week off period I'm gonna give it a go. I've been cosidering it for ages but like so many other bros I've been looking for other peoples experiences with them first. So far the only people I've heard say they work are the one's on Biohazards web site (the UK one) Biohazard849.com and the guys there are obviously getting sponsered by Paul Borreson who also advocates them. I've just read his latest book about them and although I am sceptical it does seem to make sense. I've not yet planned the course but was thinking along the lines of starting very high (by my standards anyway) at 2000mg Testoviron Dep for the first week only, 2000mg of Test prop for the second then 1000mg for the third, with clomid and nolvadex to hand. I may throw some Primo Depot into the mix as well. I'm gonna stay away from the orals to not strain my liver too much. I'll update you when the course is properly planned after a little more research. | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 23 |
hey huck, i never got toread you reply to my questio on the deca/winstrol/sustanon cycle. how much per week,day. how many bottles should i need. how much clomid and nolvadex should i need. can i get real winstrol in mexico. ifso how do i know it is real( aslo to deca and sustanon) is stanzolol the same and winstrol. thanks | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 166 |
Fuck huckel this is gold. im guna do this all year around (if that works, from what ur saying it does 2 weeks on 4 weeks off) because i only do 2 major cycles a year. i can do this inbetween. Am i missing the point of the 'short' cycle or am i right thatu can do this year around. | ||
Moderator Posts: 1503 |
The only problem I see with me personnly doing a short cycle is that I WANT to have my balls shrink. Hell, that's my primary motivation as they are so fricking huge - it's hard to by jeans to fit! Hey, good thread ya all ------------------ Lobo | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 644 |
Good thread, Huck. I have been seeing many misconceptions about short cycles too and I kept meaning to post about it but you beat me to it. I see people using sust and other long acting drugs for short cycles and I am like "huh?" The main idea is to hit 'em hard and get out before your body notices (so to speak.) Good post Huck, you freak! | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 644 |
Everyone ses these short cycles and say "Well, if two weeks works good, four will be better, right?" WRONG. The two week point is non negotiable. If you want to do a short cycle, get some kind of fast acting drug like test prop and stop after two weeks. You could take something like anavar or primo for the third week because they don't inhibit test production but that's about it. Do it right or don't even bother. | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 223 |
hey huck, email me. [email protected] got a deca winny question for you related to a post you put out. by the way how is the pgf2a working out for you? swol | ||
Guru Posts: 2016 |
It would be working great,save the fact that some wonderful source is going on the 7 week mark for delivery...LOL!!! | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 235 |
Hey Huck Its month 4 for me now | ||
Guru Posts: 2016 |
I'm feelin'your pain brother...BIG TIME! | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 235 |
well at least they "promise" its on the wayLOL I'll delete this in a bit so I don't fuvk your thread | ||
Cool Novice Posts: 13 |
Concerning short cycles: I've had experience with four. Let me give background info so that you have some of the facts: Started lifting back in 1991 as an extreme ectomorph. Over the next 7 years, through eating 5,000 calories a day and squatting till I puked, I put on 30 pounds of LBM. Laugh away at such measly gains, but I earned each of those pounds through blood and sweat, and I'm proud of that achievement. Then I read Nelson Montana's "steroids for health" back in the fall of 1998. Since I had only gained two pounds of weight that year, I threw in the towel and decided to try the pharmaceutical route. I did four identical cycles over the next two years (Winter '98, Summer '99, Winter '99,and Summer '00). They each looked as follows: Week 1: 600mg Primo and 50mg Dbol/day After each cycle I would go on creatine for 12 weeks. Now I understand the whole reason of 2on/4off with short acting esters is to minimize suppression of natural test levels and to be able to do 7-8 cycles per year. For various reasons, doing that many cycles was not appropriate to me. The results were as follows: 1st cycle: 7 pounds, 2nd-4th cycles: 5 pounds. So I have gained a grand total of 22 pounds over the last two years. As of this date, I still have 19 of them. Again, a lot of guys will laugh at this. But for someone who busted their ass over 7 years (how many of you would have given up!?) to gain 30 pounds, gaining almost 20 more in another 2 was more than I could ever dream for. | ||
Elite Bodybuilder Posts: 644 |
I am not going to laugh at it, stalker. I think that is great. You have managed to add 22 lbs of muscle without all the sides most of us go through and without shutting down test production and that is very impressive. Good for you. I was originally planning on stacking fina and dbol for my short cycles, but I have now decided to do test prop only cycles with propecia. This is due to the fact that I am starting to lose a little hair here recently. | ||
Amateur Bodybuilder Posts: 200 |
BUMP! let's wear this subject into the ground fellas ------------------ |
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