Think about it, first testosterone has to be aromatized into estrogen. This comes from the supraphysiological abundance of testosterone within the athletes system.

At this point the presence of Novaldex works to occupy estradiol receptors primarily within the breast tissue. Thus, preventing one of many undesireable estradiol related side effects.

Therefore, available muscle building testosterone has been lost by allowing the ensyzme "aromatase" substrate to work with. The substrate in question being over abundant testosterone levels.

This is why drugs like Arimidex and Lenteron are far and above worth exponentially more than their estrogen blocking cousins.

Aromatase inhibitors prevent the enzmatic conversion of testosterone to estradiol from even taking place.

Therefore, when finances allow buy these products because Arimidex/Lenteron will promote an exceedingly more desireable anabolic environment than estrogenic blocking drugs like: Proviron, Clomid, and Novaldex. These ancillaries make more potant the effects of AAS!

Cool stuff huh?

i'm waiting for someone to complain "but, but...arimidex is expensive!!!"

you get what you pay for, bros <usually>

Good post TS.

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Tamoxifen Citrate(Nolvadex)

Commonly used as an anti breast cancer drug and comes in doses of 10 or 20 mg. per tablet in packs of 30 tabs. This drug is used by bodybuilders to obstruct estrogen action, caused by the aromatisation of testosterone into estrogen when taking high doses of testosterone based steroids, resulting in gynocomastea (bitch tit).
Tamoxifen is also used to prevent the build up of edema (water retention) in the intercellular tissues. Also helpful in preventing female fat pattern distribution.
Nolvadex decreases Growth Hormone and Insulin Growth Factor 1 production, thereby causing a decrease in anabolic activity, in English a decrease in muscle growth,
Some will take nolvadex all the way through a course, others will wait until they get an itch behind the nipple indicating the oncoming gyno, they then take up to 40 mg a day for 1 week decreasing this dosage to 10 mg a day for the rest of the course.
It is a little liver toxic, but has no other side effects as far as I am aware. The usual dose is 10 or 20 mg per day. If you choose a dose of 20 mg. A day the core body temperature is raised slightly and this can assist in the burning off of excess calories.

My doctor agreed to prescribe it for me, My doc knows that I have used AS previously and I talked to him about the slight case of gyno that I already have, and he agreed to prescribe it for me. I must thank all of the bros on here for providing me with the education to talk to my doc knowledgably with him about this product..

I will be using this with my next cycle which starts next month.. I will then be able to give first hand experience between Nolvadex and Arimadex..

Arimidex: eliminates the conversion of test to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme. therefore test levels remain slightly elevated. However, it does not affect natural estradiol.

Tamoxifen: Does not eliminate the conversion of test to estrogen via the aromatase enzyme, therefore test levels decline slightly. However, it blocks the increased production of estrogen via the aromatase enzyme at the estrogen binding sites AND it blocks naturaly produced estrogen.

Lets examine the feasability of your condesending input! Your combination of these two ancillaries completely ignores the important role estrogen plays within the state of anabolism!

My origonal post clearly illustrated these two drugs intended purpose, so well in fact that it did not benefit from the pithy commentary your post tried to offer!

Not a single educated user of AAS has ever advocated the complete supression of estrogen! I have advocated the single most effective means by which to supress its conversion from testosterone.

Through the use of an Aromatase Inhibitor Arimidex promotes a desired anabolic environment! To combine this with tamoxifin citrate, is the kind of ass backward "more is better" approach to AAS that I associate with the typical Monkey user!

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Sorry about the rant, but TS your rationale is not always right.

FONZ, fat cells produce estrogen through their expression of the enzyme, aromatase, therefore Arimidex will suppress this estrogen production too.

"By hinder gains,if you are referring to estrogen related intra-cellular water retention,then yes,you will not gain as much water weight.But gains in lean body mass,no.If anything,as Twisted explains,it creates a more optimal environment for growth."

Anyway, I have a question regarding xenoestrogens... These are chemicals found in food, plastics, pesticides, detergents, etc. which mimic the effects of estrogen in the body. (There's an article at t-mag about 'em at http://www.testosterone.net/html/body_125war.html)

Do you guys know how these things work? Do they bind to estradiol receptors just like naturally produced estrogen, or do they act by some other means?

The reason I ask is that if these xenoestrogens bind to estrogen receptors, then it's possible to block them through the use of Nolvadex, clomid, etc.

Dezel, its dangerous proposition for you to draw conclusions in this particular fashion. Disrespective of the particular bovine studies your referring to, were talking about two distinct hormonal conditions within two distinict organisms.

Clenbuterol when administered to cattle causes significant hypertrophy, due to the enormouse quanity of beta-2 receptors present within their system.

Drawing analogous conclusions based on cattle and feed studies with respect to human beings and anabolism may not be the wisest approach.

It stands to reason that the ideal optimal environment would be rich in testosterone; binding in unimpeded fashion with tissue cells in conjunction with supressed estradiol. This point can't be argued.

What can be debated is any semblance of a proper ratio. Thats something bodybuilding pharmacology needs to explore more.

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Nolvadex and Arimidex is ok for AS user's
but what about those of us stuck using ANDRO NorAndro and the like?? Will it work just as well?

How much would one have to take to try to eliminate existing gyno?