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 Who knows how Primo, Eq, & Winny solidify gains?
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| Author | Topic: Who knows how Primo, Eq, & Winny solidify gains? | ||
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Cool Novice 
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These drugs are often reccomended to "solidify" gains and are often included in several peoples cycles as I've seen over the past few months. Well, what physiological mechanism exists that makes these drugs more beneficial to "solidifing" gains, than, for instance, say your basic testosterones like Sust. I am beginning to think that the only advantage that such light AS have is that they do not result in very drastic gains, allowing the body to regain a status of equilibrium (incl. natural test production)     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 247 |
bump | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 505 |
It's only a figure of speech. To solidify gains is to use an agent with a higher anabolic to androgenic ratio. Thus you have a lesser level of testosterone suppression. Literally, there is no such action. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Bchemist, since I am a AS virgin, what would be the advantage of using Primo, Eq, or Winny in my stack? Wouldn't it be easier and more cost effective to use a cycle of just testosterone instead? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 93 |
What are your goals, that is the most important question to answer | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 505 |
A test only cycle from 300 mg-500 mg for 6-8 weeks by itself would be a good first cycle where additional agents are not needed. From this first cycle you may gauge how much you may need to increase the dosage, if applicable. This first cycle also allows you to assess the need to stack in subsequent cycles. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
My original plan for my first cycle was to run 250 mg of Sust for 8 weeks and 300mg of Primo for 8 weeks concurently. The Sust dosage is very low because I have experienced MPB for the last two years and I will bump up the dosage to 500mg if I do not see any hair loss (yes, I will be using finasteride- I have been for the last 2 years). However, after researching this for the last few months, I am beginning to believe that it may be unecessary to add the Primo. My personal stats: 6'0ft, 195lbs, 10-12%bf. I want to retain about 15lbs after my cycle. On a side note, I read in one of Dan Duchaine's old newsletters that a AS virgin such as me should just stick to a basic test for the first cycle and ditch the Sust although many people praise its benefits on this board. Any suggestions. Thanks for the previous replys lads and Bchemist. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 184 |
why ditch the sust!!?? i am going to use it for my firt cycle in about 1 week with 500mgs.. along with 30mgs of d-ball for the first 5 weeks and Equipoise starting at week 4-12 at 300 mgs a week to solify the gains.... i'd keep the sust if i were you, take advantage of your first cycle like i am about to do!! be ready to grow and good luck if you know what you are doing!! ( use the clomid!! is what everyone is telling me!! ) later, -MIKE- | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Any other help lads? (BTW, I mean ditch the Sust for a single test like test cyp.) | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1613 |
Let's say you are coming off of a cycle and your nuts haven't fully kicked in yet, you may lose some of those gains because your testosterone levels will be low. At this time, you wouldn't want to use any kind of testosterone, because that would just defeat the purpose of getting natural test levels back up. But let's say you use primobolan which is anabolic, but doesn't effect your test levels, you will have an anabolic effect from the primo, while your testicles are getting back to normal. In my opinion, the anabolic effects of the primo will help make up for the lack of testosterone. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
ajc, so are you saying to not use test at the end of my cycle but rather finish off with primo? You aren't telling me to completely eliminate test from the cycle although, are you? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 505 |
You will notice that sust is readily available and it is "brand name". That is why everyone uses it....they think that because it is "sustanon 250" it is magically the best testosterone on the market. Realistically, test enanthate will give the same results without all the side effects (sust flu) from propionate....it just takes longer. I used to use Omnadren. Now that I have access to Test Enanthate, I will never go back. Take it from those who know better.... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 439 |
Very good topic and good comments. --------------------------AJC...PRIMOBOLAN HAS NO EFFECT ON NAT. TEST LEVELS? Or is it that primobolan has little effect on test levels? To you big pun- I was the same exact measurments before i began a sust only cycle but 5 lbs. heavier (i was a virgin too at 18, i am 19 now) I did the sust and put on 25 lbs. I knew how to eat and train VERY INTENSLEY AND PROPERLY. I ended up bigger than i wanted just off the sust! But if i was one of those guys who wanted to get real fukin big i could have popped d-bols and did deca with it. If this is what u want then, go ahead and do it now...you are going to make the best gains in your life on your first cycle so go all out. If i did these three i could have put on a good 40+ pounds, and i believe that to the fullest. I am giving u advice from a similiar perspective. Do sust, deca , dbol and end with some primo shots. If i wanted to be a big mofo thats what i would have done. Peace [This message has been edited by ItalianSweetness (edited October 06, 2000).]  | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 22 |
hey italian, i am 19 and want to do the same exact cycle, it will be my first, what doses do you think i should do?? how is this?too much or too little? sus dbol deca start clomid 2 weeks after my last shot of sus when do i put in the primo??winstrol too?? thanks | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Gentlemen, I appreciate your input greatly. Bchemist, now that you suggest it, I am beginning to lean towards using a straight test for a cycle like enanthate or cypionate. (I think it will be easier for me to obtain and is much more cost effective). Is there a a particular reason you favour enanthate? Italian, I want to retain about 15-20lbs. of quality, dense muscle. Nothing too drastic because it would be detrimental to my play at my position on the rugby field. Therefore, I think I'm going to leave the dbol out for this cycle (plus I've read that it wrecks havoc on your hair which I'm very worried about). | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Any other suggestions lads? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 505 |
It is long lasting, cost effective, and no injection site pain...thus I love it. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 372 |
"I am beginning to think that the only advantage that such light AS have is that they do not result in very drastic gains, allowing the body to regain a status of equilibrium (incl. natural test production) quicker, although there is no mechanism for solidifying gains. To be more cost effective, why not take a cheaper AS like testosterone (which will result in a quicker weight loss-water after cycle completion), since the end result will be probably be a comparable gain in weight when compared to the Primo user?" This is correct. As BCHEMIST stated it is merely a figure of speech. Anabolics produce very little water retention, while the more androgenic can cause massive amounts of edema. After water retention is taken into account, there is likely to be little difference in the amount of lean gains accrued. Most recommend a low androgen to be used to bridge since it is believed to allow for HPTA restoration and maintenance of gains. I am not sure how effective this is with long acting anabolics, as all steroids are known to suppress the HPTA, but this is dose dependant...so possibly low doses may work. A better idea is one that Bill Roberts mentioned and that would be the use of fast acting orals, taken early in the day, as bridges since test release is higher in the evening, and would presumably allow for less suppression. This is definately an area that needs more guinea pigs. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Cockdezl, so would there be any advantage to taking Primo from the middle to the completion of my cycle? Also, I may be incorrect but I thought I read that test. levels are highest in the morning after they've been restored during sleep which explains why many men awake with their "tent's pitched". |
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posted October 05, 2000 09:19 PM