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Novice 
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Bros, I am 33 y.o., been lifting fairly consistently for 15 years, 6'1, 208 (have been up to 230), 11%bf; I am now four months back on after a six month layoff (due to work), and am re-approaching my prior maxes...I've been eating like a pig, lifting heavy (heavy for me anyway), and have finally convinced the wife that a cycle won't kill me...but, she is adamant (for now) that I agree to do just ONE cycle. So here's the dilemma: I had originally planned an 8 week 500 sust/400 deca/d-bol cycle to start in late November...optimum size, strength cycle for a first timer...researched it well, knew where to get pins, Clomid, Nolva, etc. Now I am re-thinking the cycle for several reasons. First, I am a lawyer and am VERY concerned about moon-face, acne, etc. that might tip people off that I was cycling...say I show up in court at 210 one week, and return with big face at 235 four weeks later...hmmm. Also, funds are limited (baby on the way), and I literally can't afford to "grow" out of my suits and whatnot...maybe this is a stupid concern, but there it is. Finally, my wife asked me what do I really want...big mofo football player/bouncer/pro bodybuilder, or slimmer male model look? I know it sounds kind of pussy, but I'm not looking to get huge...I was ten years ago, but it just won't work for me at this stage of my life...so, I think I'll go with male model look. But, if I can't be the biggest guy in the gym, I still wanna be the strongest (which is not hard where to do where i work out). So I guess the question is, what is a good first time stack for a "little" size, to harden up, get semi-ripped, with superior strength gains. Forget Primo, too expensive. Also don't want to mess with clen, etc., I'll just stick to ECA. Or should I just quit worrying and do the sust/deca/d-bol, because I don't want to blow my precious first (and maybe only) cycle. I'm thinking Winny and some sort of test? Dosages? Or is that way off base? Please don't tell me to go do my research...I know where the search button is, blah blah...I think this questions is a legit newbie question...point me in the right direction and I'll learn the rest. Last question (I promise). Why is everyone so stuck on sust when a lot of gurus (including George, read his article) say it's a waste of money compared to cyp or enanthate - yes I know about the esters and self-tapering, but if I could save half the $$$, I'll damn sure learn to taper! Anyway, sorry for the long post, and thanks for your input. [This message has been edited by Ferrus (edited October 05, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Ferrus (edited October 05, 2000).]     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 454 |
Bro.. side effects are overrated. You're not gonna have a moon face at those dosages. Your cycle sounds ok. If you're thinking about cutting up, I recommend adding some winny and trenbelone at the end(not sure where you get the idea for test). Everyone is stuck on sust because it's so good. PEACE | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 89 |
well if you really want to lean out get semi ripped blah blah blah... go with tren, EQ and winny... you will be very pleased with the results  Oh, and like diesel said, side effects are very overrated, dont worry about the "moonface" it shouldnt happen, but then again not everyone's body reacts the same. [This message has been edited by niko1015 (edited October 05, 2000).]  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 130 |
try something like this... week/deca/test enthanate/winny the test will give u some mass but not too much at thise doses and the deca will make that mass hard as a rock and the winny will clean up the muscle u have gained and show your new rips! and dont worry about sides...sides come from abuse and overuse.... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 446 |
If you don't want all the bloat, just drop the dbols. I would go sus/deca/winny, or sus/eq/winny | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 89 |
Vinny, realize that this is the man's first cycle and he's is going to gain atleast 20lb's if done right. Those dosages you gave him are enough for an experianced AS user. 600mg deca is a lil much for a first cycle Even at 400mg a week is enough. As for the Test Enan. Keep it at 400mg. Shit what do i know :P This is not a flame, I just didnt think you knew it was his first one. [This message has been edited by niko1015 (edited October 05, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
A great cycle!! 500mg primoteston wks 1-8 Not too much bloat, but great pump and lean growth. Eat clean. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 446 |
Here you go: sus/deca/winny 1.500 400 [This message has been edited by Hacker (edited October 05, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 89 |
Both are great cycles, but you would see better results on the sust/deca/winny cycle. I think youd like the results off that one better. | ||
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Novice
Posts: 10 |
Thanks bros, I'm watching and learning Seems medium dose test/deca or eq/winny at the end, forget the d-bols Irish, I guess i better go look up primoteston, cuz I don't have a clue; is it a pre-mixed blend of test and primo? what ratio? cheap or pricey? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 146 |
Hacker I really like that cycle. Except I'm not a big Deca Fan. But I'm not knockin' deca. If I were you, I do Hacker's cycle without the Deca. Later | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 446 |
Replace the deca with 300mg/wk of EQ. Probably less expensive for you. (Ultragan would be a good choice) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 287 |
looks good ------------------ | ||
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Novice
Posts: 10 |
OK, primoteston is "Primoteston Depot is synthetic testosterone that exhibits a strong androgenic effect and good anabolics characteristics as well. Primoteston combined with other steroid compounds, is the most common stack used in the bodybuilding community, and will give great results in almost every case. Often times a person will stack primoteston depot with sustanon 250 and a testosterone cypionate to get the best results." I guess if I've never heard of it I can't get it Hacker, thanks | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 225 |
Take these guys advice, they know their sh*t...best of luck to you, I just started my first cycle a few days ago...I want to be a lawyer, too, where'd you go to school?? Drop me an e-mail (the address is in my signature below...)...I'm at Texas A&M right now...plan on graduating in May of '02... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 278 |
What about this one... Winstrol(drink it) and Finaplix-H (inject ed) 8 week cycle Na this is what you really want!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 54 |
try winstrol and eq. this should make for a good first cycle. i know you wont get as big without test but for what you requested this should do it. and you will keep most of your gains. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 41 |
HOLY SHIT!!!! JUST IMAGINE DOING THAT WHOLE CYCLE!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 90 |
Hey Ferris I'm Doing EQ 300mg WK 1-10 and whinny 150mg wk 3-10 I'm on week three up 7 lbs. I look hard and vascular no acne, and I'm not bloated. 7 weeks to go and very excited. I hope to keep 90%. Look for the quality on your first, second etc. A buddy at the gym only does eq and whinny and he looks awsome! |
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posted October 05, 2000 04:30 PM
