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 A NOTE ON CLOMID TO ALL THAT USE ONLY IT POST CYCLE
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 584 |
I have used clomid for a couple years now and would like to offer some advice to those who only use it post cycle. If anybody has a small amount of tabs it seems that they only use clomid post cycle, I think this is a bad idea. The key/goal is to never let the balls shrink in the first place. You guys would be better off using clomid every 3rd day during the cycle. EOD is optimal but every 3rd day is FAR better than not at all. I also believe that there will be no need to use clomid at 50mg or 100mg day post cycle if you run it throughout. Take the clomid throughout the cycle at 1 tab every third day, and run it EOD post cycle if you have only a limited supply. This will get you much further than using it only post cycle at high dodages 50-100mg/day. my $0.02 [This message has been edited by MONSTROSITY (edited October 03, 2000).]     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1080 |
Wrong, the key with respect to the use of clomid should have nothing to do with the appearance of the testies! H-P-T-A shutdown is a natural by product of exogenous testosterone stimulation. It is a welcomed physiological response that should not be trifled with! Over stimulation of the Hypothalymus with the use of Clomid is potentially dangerous, liken this to the over stimulation of the Thyroid through synthetic T3. You wont find this within bodybuilding pharmacology, but you will find it in cases of women using clomid to stimulate ovulation! A. 50mg of clomid administered EOD/Ed or however most of you advocate will not restore the presence of LH to normal levels prior to the administration of AAS. B. Secondly, exogenous over stimulation of Leydig Cell function dispite the presence of exogenous testosterone is assinine. It could serve to deregulate H-P-T-A renewal post cycle due to potential risk of leydig cell over stimulation which leads to disensitzation which in turn could lead to state of permenant H-P-T-A disfunction! Not barking down your throat at all, bud just wanting to clear the air and illustrate this drug in clear light as best as I have understood it! Clomid is an excellent "Estrogen Receptor Blocker". Use it with novaldex during cycle should estradiol related side affects manifest themselves! Do not use them meerly to, "Keep your balls full". My .02$ ------------------ [This message has been edited by Twisted_Steel (edited October 03, 2000).]  | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 27 |
Those who use it EOD wont have children because you burned your balls to hell from overproducing natural T, plus easily to get gyno like that, WAYYY too much test. What a dumb thing to do clomid EOD or even every 3rd day. There was no clomid back in the 80's, thats all I can say. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 140 |
twisted you thru me alittle there, are you saying clomid can be dangerous if to much is taken or you saying its not good to take thru out? just let me know what the hell you are saying! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 584 |
"CLOMID HATERS", How exactly do you keep your balls from disappearing when using 1 gram+ of test a week....................... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1080 |
Nature of the beast my man. This isn't one of the highlights of my life, but I have seen the effects of 1g+ in men over the age of 35! When I was younger I asked them if it was a source of embarassment! They responded, "How many girls did you fuck with your nuts"?
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 247 |
Twisted where do you have that info from?? I would really like to know it!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 223 |
what if you take clomid ed during the cycle | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1080 |
Fellas, relax if you use clomid to keep the sack plump, thats ok. I should have inserted that years of clomid use throughout AAS cycles, might indeed bring about H-P-T-A Issues. Don't freak out on me, its a perfect drug to be used during a cycle to combat estrogen! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 154 |
WTF!!?? now i am seeing totaly different things about clomid ( negative things ) what the hell is going on with this?? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 30 |
IM INTERESTED IN THIS TOO. ILL BUMP IT UP. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1080 |
Leydig cells are located in the "interstitium" of the testis and functions as the primary site of testosterone biosynthesis. Leydig cell development and steroid production are dependent upon pituitary-derived Luteinizing Hormone (LH). No before you go running amok destroying the foundations of bodybuilding pharmacology saying that the evil "Twisted_Steel" was calling for a clomid bonfire, take into perspective the scope of my postulation from my perspective. Im lucky enough to know a couple gents in the medical community, practicing Medical Doctors. True, neither of which is an endocrinologist, but one is an oncologist, never the less there to brilliant 50 yearold bastards who I just happened to listen too during a discussion. The topic of cancer came up, much of which was over my head. However, the conversation then switched over. In the switch clomid was introduced into the conversation, and for the life of me I can't recreate the argument that so convinced me. But, the final contention had to due with the synthetic overstimulation of leydig cells through clomaphine, leading to the desensitization, in which the leydig cells ability to recognize LH was impared permenantly. I have never liked the idea of using clomid any longer than necessary, that all but sealed my philosphy! Next time those two old farts come into the gym. Im gona transform myself into gym stenographer to futher illustrate this point. They were involved ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 30 |
Good Post! ------------------ ZEUS.... | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1772 |
Damn T.S.,you are on a roll today!Another great thread!!Monstrosity,the answer to your question if not clomid?--Human chorionic gonadotropin.Given intra-muscularly once mid cycle,and once post cycle,it will directly stimulate the testes to grow. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1080 |
Heck ya huck, you completely brought up another strategy! Intermitant shots of HCG within the composition of "short cycling" Good point, dude ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
I would like to see someone 4-5 years after they have cycled clomid EOD, I really would. Think about it for just a sec. It makes you produce natural T. 2 weeks is plenty to get that going. Just imagine 10-12 weeks? Or however long your cycle is? Hmmm, doesn't look too good to me. Looks like you are going to fry your balls, overburn them from producing so much natural T, and it doesn't stop, as much clomid as you take, it will continue. Those who are on test year-round is much safer than clomid crap EOD crap, just do the last 2 weeks, use nolvadex, WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT THAT? oh well, i ain't god to tell you what to do, but I've cycled so much shit with no clomid, i used HCG, later. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 93 |
I've heard about Clomid overuse causing the leydig cells to not respond to LH a few times now. I used it on my last course post cycle and this time I'm using a little bit mid cycle then again at the end as an experiment for myself. My main concern however, is that I recently read a book which stated that Clomid is addictive. The book is called The Stack Book by Paul Borreson and although Paul is extreemly knowledgeable I'd just like to hear the opinions of other bros on the addiction issue. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 12 |
How about using it 50-100mg once a week throughout cycle? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 248 |
The best way to avoid testicular atrophy is to use HCG intermittently throughout the cycle, but not during the taper or post cycle. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 814 |
I only take it as needed. (No set schedule) | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 556 |
Jeeeezz Guy's! What's up with the battle on clomid. TS makes a good point. Take advice in stride and do as you will. If it works..great. If not, then find a way that does. I think that's where TS is coming from. Listen to what he says and do with it what you will. But, as for clomid being addictive... I don't see how. At least it hasn't been for me, in no way shape or form. UNless of coarse, you're a porn star..then..well..hehehe Peace ------------------ Rock On! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1098 |
I don't now and in 17 years have never taken clomid. BigPappaPump and I had this exchange before and neither of us can remember anyone taking it back when we started in the mid eighties. I still believe guys take it because like Steel said for it's aesthetics value. Too many guys take it just because they freak at the idea of their balls shrinking. Of the scores of women (you'll have to trust me on that) I have slept with over the years not one has ever noticed the size of my balls while I was on or off, it is something I notice but they never did. When my cycle is over they return to normal. Every time. I have posted that I advocate using clomid but I never have. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 421 |
TS, I noticed you posted a cycle the other day where you ran proviron throughout. That would be a better choice than nolvadex. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 216 |
Bump, this is some intereting sh*t...keep it comin'!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 122 |
Where is E2 the Clomid man!!!???? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 93 |
Am I the only one that's read that it can be addictive? As I said it's from a good source - the guy advised Dorian. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
ive mainly been sticking to short cycles lately (3 or 4 weeks on, same amount of time off) and ive only been using clomid post cycle and experiencing no nut shrinking. i dont think the test has enough time to shut down my own testosterone production since im using for only a short period of time. for those of you who insist on only using clomid post cycle, try to do short cycles. u may find out it works better for you. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 169 |
upjhon says whouses clomid eod won't have kids. WTF???????? E2, TS and everybody what do you have to say about this? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 421 |
Upjohn likes to talk out his ass alot with no real scientific proof to back it up. I usually disregard anything and everything that comes out of his piehole. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1772 |
LOL!!! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 13 |
do your nuts grow back after juicing???????? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 49 |
Good thread so I thought I would through alittle in on a side of clomid you dont hear alot about. Some people will experience loss of sex drive and performance from clomid (temp), If I take even one 50mg tab shit dont work for two days. Always research every compound you plan on taking. Do a search on clomid and you might be surpised who many guys say they experience this with clomid, no deca involved. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
quote: I'm curious as to if you experience any form of "crash" and what your cycles look like? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1098 |
NO. I don't ever remember crashing, I usually taper though. Right now I'm on 400mgs/wk of deca/cyp and 25mg/day Oxandrin. Been on for 13 weeks and have 4 to go. I'll be bridging this time with Eq because a friend told me to try it. That's close to typical. [This message has been edited by ulter (edited October 04, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 108 |
so what would be the ideal dossages of taking clomid. I'd say EOD throughout the cycle and 2 week post cycle.... ED week 1 100mg and week 2 50mg... would that be correct! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 85 |
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WHATS YUR OPINION E2 dl20 |
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posted October 03, 2000 08:37 PM
