As I mentioned above, I doubt if the HPTA has much to do with sex drive with people who are taking exogenous testosterone. In people who are not taking testo, i.e. non-steroid users, the HPTA can have a great effect on sex drive since, if it has been shut down, it will prevent the testes from producing testosterone and therefore it will be absent in the system. Since you have discontinued steroid use for now, and your HPTA has shut down, that is most likely why you are experiencing a low sex drive. If you were to take some exogenous testo, my bet is that your sex drive would come back on line. But I don't advise this since you want to get your HPTA functioning properly again.

Ok use clomid and HGC's end of cycle kicks them back in major style.

If your statement is correct, then clomid would not help with "Deca Dick". As such we would all be taking finasteride to prevent deca dick. By shutting down the HPTA, natural testosterone production is ceased, and therefore the more androgenic DHT is not produced, and sex drive is lowered. I maintain that nandrolone acts on the HPTA and causes deca dick.

I await your rebuttle .

Why not? If clomid were to restore some function of the HPTA, then endogenous test would be produced, which would be convertable to DHT, which could restore libido. This is why some advocate a test ester with Deca...to have some test present to form DHT.

"As such we would all be taking finasteride to prevent deca dick."

This scenario leaves one with no androgenic stimuli. No endogenous test and no dihydronandrolone, simply all nandrolone. So this too would give "Deca dick".

"By shutting down the HPTA, natural testosterone production is ceased, and therefore the more androgenic DHT is not produced, and sex drive is lowered. I maintain that nandrolone acts on the HPTA and causes deca dick."

There is no way around it...

Deca supresses natural test and then there is no test around at all since deca is not test.

Test is Test and Test will fix deca dick

"Why not? If clomid were to restore some function of the HPTA, then endogenous test would be produced, which would be convertable to DHT, which could restore libido. This is why some advocate a test ester with Deca...to have some test present to form DHT."

These two quotes contradict one another. The key word is 'restore'. You would not have to restore the HPTA if it was not shut down in the first place. This is my point.

"This scenario leaves one with no androgenic stimuli. No endogenous test and no dihydronandrolone, simply all nandrolone. So this too would give "Deca dick".

I agree with this statement, but you missed the point I was trying to make. My point was that if deca did not effect the HPTA, and the low sex drive was caused soley by the less androgenic DHN, then finasteride would prevent this conversion and therefore alleviate symptoms.

"If this were true then drugs like methandrostenelone, stanazolol and oxymetholone would do this, since they all suppress the HPTA, and they are not even 5-alpha reduced. No one complains of "DBol Dick", it simply has enough intrinsic androgenicity to maintain libido.

I agree. But again you missed my point. I was not arguing that shutting down the HPTA is the sole cause of deca dick, just a major contributing factor. This was to counter your previous quote above that Deca Dick is not due to suppression of the HPTA.

In essence, I think we are saying the same thing. I believe your argument is that the amount of androgen determines sex drive, and my argument was that nandrolone effects the amount of androgen by acting on the HPTA (when used alone).

A.M.

I see what you are saying, A. My point is that HPTA suppression does not have to mean low libido, IF one is using a strong androgen, such as methandrostenolone. The HPTA will still be suppressed, but methandrostenolone is a strong androgen, so it will take up the slack of the lacking test. In the case of nandrolone, it, nor its 5-AR metabolite is a strong androgen, so neither can give the necessary signal for libido. This is why finasteride is useless to counter this problem, only the addition of a strong androgen.