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 Clomid vs. Nolvadex
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 110 |
As far as aniti-estrogens go nolva is just that an antiestrogen with no test increase. Clomid i've heard is an estrogen antagonist in breast tissue and and agonist in bone. Is clomid just as effective in the anti- estrogen dept. I wan't to take 500mg\week of sust andthe armomatization is an issue. Do i even need the nolvadex or is the clomid by itself sufficient. Any info appreciated.    | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 598 |
BRO, HAVE SOME NOLVADEX JUST IN CASE AS IT MORE EFFECTIVE FOR GYNO, BUT NOLVADEX ALSO REDUCES IGF-1 AND HINDERS GAINS, CLOMID DOES'NT. USE NOLVA WHEN YOU NEED TO.  | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1742 |
It depends.By aromitization,are you specifically worried about gyno?If so,then it's generally accepted by mainstream bodybuilders that nolvadex is a little more site-specific in breast tissue.If estrogenic edema is your primary concern,then the two would most likely be equally effective. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
thanks guys | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
how much nolva should i take throughout the cycle? Slopain aid he took 10\day to keep water down. I heard nolva hinders gains. But leess gains vs tits i'll take a little less gains. how much do you guys think? Anybodies info is welcome. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1742 |
For me personally,10mgs/daily was too weak,but I am highly succeptible to gyno though.At 10mgs/daily I still get aggrevated symptoms.But at 20mgs/daily,no probs whatsoever.Just sharing my personal experiences. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
Thanks again huck, personal experience is exactly what i'm lookin for. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 684 |
I would say tamoxifen is definitely a stronger anti-estrogen. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 39 |
Everyone is different, but you shouldn't have to worry a great deal about gyno using only 2 Susts a week. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 141 |
As I understand it, clomid is preventative, to be taken after (or sometimes during) a cycle. Nolvadex is an "o shit I'm getting boobies I need something quick!" thing, great to have on hand but only used when you feel symptoms. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Stay huge, Peace! ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1742 |
You are correct that clomids strength lies in its ability post cycle to restore test levels back to normal from the state of suppression they're in.That being said,clomid also has anti-estrogenic properties similar to nolvadex.Nolvadex is known to be slightly more aggressive in binding to the estrogen receptor in breast tissue than clomid.Outside of this specific area,they are pretty much on an equal par as far as their anti-estrogenic properties. [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited October 02, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 124 |
Hey Huck, How much will the gains be interfered with by using nolvadex ed or eod? I also seem to be very prone to gyno and if nolvadex will significantly interfere then I won't even bother continuing. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1742 |
I have heard that it will impede on average around 5%.This means that if you were going to gain 20lbs on your cycle,you would instead gain 19 lbs.I believe it is better to have slight impedance in gains than have a set of breasts to gain another 1 or 2 pounds,but that's just me,hehheh. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
Excellent info | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 684 |
Especially when that 1 or 2 pounds is breast tissue...hehe. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
HUCK, I HAD ASLIGHT CASE OF GYNO WITH MY LAST CYCLE SO IF I PUT MY CLOMID ON THE SHELF AND TAKE 10-20 MGS EOD OF NOLVADEX THROUGHOUT THE CYCLE, SINCE MY NEXT CYCLE IS GONNA BE SUST 500MGS WEEKS 1-8, ULTRAGAN 300MG WEEKS 1-8, AND WINNY 50MGS EOD WEKKS 6-10. SHOULD I INCREASE THE NOLVADEX 2 WEEKS AFTER LAST INJECTION? ALSO HEARD THAT WINNY HELPS PREVENT GYNO, BUT NOT SURE IF THIS IS ONLY IN THE CASE OF DECA INDUCED GYNO? HOPE YOU COULD HELP OL' BLUE EYES OUT  PS. WHICH WINNY IS BETTER JUROX OR DENKALL ?  | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
BUMPING IT UP FOR SOME OPINIONS SWING BABY | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1742 |
Sinatra:Yes,since you already have pre-existing gyno,Nolvadex should be the anti-estrogen of choice for you.20mgs/daily should do the trick,ran from beginning to end of your cycle.And yes 2 weeks after your last injection,begin clomid therapy to restore your hormonal axis back to par.BTW,Winstrols gyno fighting abilities are only relevant in conjunction with deca as it binds to PROGESTERONE receptors,not ESTROGEN receptors,which are what would be your concern with test/eq.Hope this helps you my friend. [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited October 03, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
HUCK, THANKS FOR THE INFORMED INFO, BUT JUST WANNA CLEAR SOMETHING UP, I UNDERSTAND TAKING THE NOLVADEX DAILY, BUT AS FAR AS TAKING THE CLOMID 2 WEEKS AFTER LAST INJECTION ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE LAST SUST INJECTION? AND WILL 50 MG DAILY DO OR GO FOR THE 100 MG? ALSO YOUR OPINION ON WHICH WINNY IS BETTER JUROX OR DENKALL? SWING BABY ! | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1742 |
Good question.I did not pay attention that you were using winny after the other two.Here's how I would run this:Use the nolvadex until about 3 weeks after your last sust shot as it will still be active up to that point.Just as you are coming off the winny(say the last day)begin clomid therapy.Start at 100mg/daily for one week.The following week go 50mg/daily-You're done! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
HUCK , THANKS ALOT, BETTER TO BE WELL INFORMED THAN JUST GO ON MY ON GUT FEELING ****YOUR OPINION ON WHICH WINNY IS BETTER? JUROX OR DENKALL? AND I'LL STOP BOTHERING YOU. SWING BABY ! | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1742 |
Stanazolic(Ilium) would be my choice.But out of the two,it's a tough choice,either is acceptable.You are going to do quite well,be sure to give us updates on your progress. [This message has been edited by HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex (edited October 03, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
HUCK, I CERTAINLY WILL THANKS AGAIN FOR HELP. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1742 |
Any time buddy. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
hey huck 100mgs/daily of nolva?? it 's a lot. i was thinking of going 10mgs along with 50mgs of clomid eod and of course use both post cycle, but so it could be a low dose of nolva? should i go 20? and also you said you went up to 100, how can i know if i have to up the dose too?gyno is an issue. thanks in advantage for the info. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1742 |
Fener--No,I was referring to 100mgs of CLOMID,not nolvadex.20mgs/daily of nolvadex will suffice to effectively combat gyno.Hope this clears up the confusion buddy. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 114 |
SHOULD YOU SPLIT UP THE TAMOXOFLIX (SP) AS FOR 10MGS AM, AND 10MGS PM, OR JUST TAKE EM' BOTH AT THE SAME TIME!! ------------------ BONERS ARE FUN FOR GIRLS TO SIT ON!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 352 |
Clomid and Nolva perform the same basic functions: increase in natural test production and estrogen antagonists. Each performs its most notable function a little better than the other. According to Anabolics 2000 and other recent articles they are almost interchangeable.... ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1742 |
Not true big dog,nolvadex does not stimulate leutenizing hormone production/test levels such as the case with clomid.As anti-estros though,they are somewhat comparable.Hard ball:I'm not sure what the half-life of nolvadex is,but I would do as you were thinking and take one 10 mg tab in the morning,and one in the evening,that sounds good to me. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 114 |
THANKS HUCK! ------------------ BONERS ARE FUN FOR GIRLS TO SIT ON!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 352 |
Hey Huck, Both WAR and Anabolics 2000 must have both made a mistake then. I also was skeptical about this property on Nolva until I tried it in the place of clomid After a Prop/winny stack. It is not as powerful as clomid but definitley did the trick.... Anabolics 2000 ------------------ |
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posted October 01, 2000 04:09 PM