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 What do you think about Brock Strasser's Finasol, winnysol, dbolsol idea?
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| Author | Topic: What do you think about Brock Strasser's Finasol, winnysol, dbolsol idea? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 410 |
In this weeks t-mag issue Brock answered a question from a reader that added fina to androsol and sprayed it on. I know that some of us have thrown around the idea of making a spray on fina concoction but what about a spray on winny, dbol, drol etc.? By doing this you would decrease absorbtion and effectiveness but wouldn't you also avoid the first pass through the liver. What is the carrier in the solution of androsol? I thought it was just isopropal alcohol. Does anyone know the molecular weight of fina, winny, dbol and drol as well as the maximum weight that can pass through the skin? Has anyone mixed dmso, water and fina or alcohol and fina in a spray bottle and tried it out? This might just be another dumb idea but it beats the hell out of a clomid or sus question. Later,     | ||
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Novice 
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This is a good question,where are all the Geniuses. Oh that's right they're all posting on another thread about how much they hate Newbies, and how they just have too much knowledge and experience to rub elbows with anyone who's knowledge is below a certain level and how they just can't take it and are willing to pay so as not to have to go through the excruciating, mind-numbing, task of answering yet another question that is beneath them. Go already! Don't let the door hit you in the ass. All most of you guys ever post is a whine or an ass kiss to one of your esteemed bros. What a joke. Most of you are really not contributing anything. Give respect and you will receive respect. Treat people like "trash" and you will be considered "trash". Some of you guys take yourselves way too seriously. No matter how much you know, you are still flawed members of the human race, probably lacking in other areas on par with your knowledge of this one. The mark of a truly intelligent person, is not arrogance, it's humility. The more you know about a subject, the more you realize how little you really DO know AND teaching is the ultimate learning tool. You will learn more by teaching than almost any other method of instruction. So it is we newbies who are helping you, not the other way around. That's my rant, jerks.
[This message has been edited by Herman Menderchuk (edited September 30, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Herman Menderchuk (edited September 30, 2000).] | ||
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Freak 
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I'm not sure what your little tangent had to do with THIS thread....Hmmmm,I see now,absolutely nothing.ANYWAY,if these products work anything remotely similar to Biotests Androsol,then I wouldn't waste one thin dime on them.Androsol is one of the biggest scams since Cybergenics.They try to equate it to using 500mgs/week of sust-BWAAAAAHAHAHA!!!!! | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 45 |
I think that Brock Strasser and Bill Roberts are some of the most, if not the most respected authorities on anabolics. If one reads the science behind this type of delivery system then one can begin to understand that for certain compounds this is an effective alternative to daily injections. The question is not "Does this work" but rather "How much less effective is the spray (mg for mg) than injection. For example, hypothetically if spraying on 200mg of finasol was similar to injecting 100mg, then we could assume that effectiveness for the spray is roughly 50% of injection volume. In addition, do not compare apples to oranges in the sense that androsol and Biotest as a company are moot points here. We are not debating whether Biotest is a good company, or whether androsol works. We are considering an alternative method of delivering trenbolone acetate to the body. If that involves borrowing an idea that just happens to be from a Biotest product, then so be it. I am personally challenging the guru's and mods to answer this question in a manner which reflects their very deep well of wisdom. As of late there has been alot of expressed anger relating to unresearched posts and irrelevant bickering and squabbling, and I believe that this anger is justified and should be expressed. But now here is a genuine chance for the truly knowledgeable ones to lend a hand because this is not your typical "Should I use clomid"? post. So, I challenge those of you who believe that the posts have been a bit stale to step up to the plate on this one and give us your two cents worth! | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1673 |
Gotcha.My apologies for the personal rant,which I see now had nothing to do with what you were getting at.Using this delivery system as a means to transport REAL steroids and not bullshit pro-hormones,now THIS is something that I am definitely very interested in as well.And again,sorry for detouring off what you were getting at,I failed to pay close enough attention before I replied.I'll bump this for the heavy hitters like twisted and cockdezl. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 138 |
Here's a worthy bump | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 138 |
bump | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 580 |
Gee. I wish I could try and be cool like ole herman here and make fun of all the vets. WTF is your problem bro? Did you get flamed for something? Oh, you poor thing. Are you OK?? [This message has been edited by Maverik (edited September 30, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
Mav: Your input on the 2on/4off cycles was informative, so what do you think about this idea? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 580 |
Personally, the Biotest delivery system sounds good and all but that doesn't prove it really works like they say. They can say it works al day long but that doesn't prove it. If you want to avoid daily injections, use DMSO or Phlogel. It is supposed to work pretty good. I would try those before I would try biotest. Besides, at the price they sell it for, you are paying an awful lot just to get the benefit of the transdermal delivery. Seems to me that a product like Phlogel would be more effective and probably alot cheaper too. Several of the bros on this board have tried the Phlogel and claims it works very well. So that to me is more proof than one of Biotest's ads. If an independant lab did a test on it and said it worked extremely well, I might be inclined to try it, but until then I will stick to the tried and trued like Phlogel. The price in my opinion is just too high for something that is "supposed" to work good. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 580 |
But if someone has the money to burn, try it and let us know how it goes. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
Mav: I think that you are confusing mixing the finaplix in the Biotest product androsol, which has come to be known as finosol. I am debating the effectiveness of combining finaplix with 100% isopropyl alcohol and using it transdermally, which is how androsol is delivered and applied. Yes, indeed those that have tried this hybrid finosol have expressed great gains, but as you said it can be purely speculation. I am merely trying to get input on mixing the pellets with the alcohol and spraying it on in the same manner as one would apply androsol, but without using the androsol. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 430 |
DMSO has been proven to break down the molecular bonds in the area where applied, therefore being absorbed and taking anything that's small enough with it, this includes bacteria, mold, etc. adding Trenbolone Acetate COULD work depending on its molecular weight(can't remember right now) I don't see how applying anything with Isopropyl Alcohol would do anything more than evaporate off the skin, leaving a bunch of the gear stuck on the surface of the skin. I wouldn't waste my time. TS buddy! any ideas to this? ------------------ "Don't eat me! eat Dredd! he works out!" - From Judge Dredd. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 64 |
There are many transdermal solvents.Dmso is perhaps the most efficient.A yahoo search of transdermals reveils that iso and ethonols are each transdermal as well. The advantage to iso is the speed of application,the size area you can treat,and it's a dollar/qt.instead of 20$ a little jar like pylojell stuff. I think that this is worth trying.Androsol is 12 grams of 4-ad dissolved in isopropl.Given that tren is much more powerful then 4-ad,perhaps good results may be obtained with 2-4 grams tren/pint. It really gets down to how good a trasdermal carrier alcohol is compared to dmso.We need experimenters! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 580 |
Oh, I didn't see where it said that in your post. Must have missed it. In that case I think I agree with Future one here. Don't know exactly how it would work but it seems to me that most of the alcohol would evaporate before any of the fina could be absorbed. But I may be wrong here. I have no basis for this except that is what makes sense to me. Where are our chemical experts on this one?? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Thanks for your replies. Anyone have any experience with this? |
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posted September 29, 2000 09:49 PM