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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1025 |
Proviron Week 1: 50mg Week 2: 50mg Week 3: 50mg Week 4: 50ng Week 5: 50mg Week 6: 50mg Week 7: 50mg Week 8: 50mg Week 9: 50mg Week 10: 50mg Week 11: Week 12: Sustanon 250 Dball Primobolan Depot Arimidex Boy, that "Twisted_Steel" is a moron. Everyone knows that you can't grow off a measly 500mg of test for 5 weeks! Whats with all this Proviron? Why in the Hell would you start the Proviron two weeks before indroducing the Anabolics? What in the hell is Twisted_Steel thinking with 4 weeks of Primo combined with DBALL?? ARIMIDEX, for only 5 weeks? Man o Man, this guy is a moron.
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Guru 
Posts: 2231 |
I dont think the mans a moron, why hes a genius.. Welp the proviron will help free up more USABLE test for you, thus making your test more effective at an equal dose without proviron. You start it early, not for the anti-estrogenic effect but for the effects it will have on the test youll be squirting in your but. So you made the 500 of test you are using more powerfull by using the proviron, than without... am I warm? Slopain | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 105 |
good thinking, but why couldnt you put it all next to each other for easy reading. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 657 |
Let us know how it turns out bro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 84 |
those are what i call "coloring book cycles" too wild for me bro,what ever mass you'll gain off that,ill gain just as much maybe more with test alone.
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 14 |
This is Twisted Steels cycle on the same lines  _________Proviron___Sustanon__Dball__Primobolan__Arimidex__Clomid Twisted Steel, do you have more info on your cycle?
[This message has been edited by 100PercentCanadianBeef (edited September 29, 2000).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 391 |
Bottom line, TS is looking to for efficient gains that will come on a little slower, but be more permanent in nature. Cost effective too, except for the arimidex. What about that arimidex? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 802 |
Bump for Twisted! Explain your reasoning man... We are waiting! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 157 |
BUMP, YOU'VE LOST ME...DO TELL OF YOUR REASONING PLEASE... ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Yeah TS, dont leave us hanging!! ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1515 |
yes i need to hear why the weenie dbol doses, after the test ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 241 |
what? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1025 |
German intellectual and philosopher Fredrick Nietzsche stated that: �Might makes right�, call me a demagogue in training, but I feel this outlook has merit within certain areas of life. However, �might� should not be equated with blind brute force. Its unfortunate that so many users assume that brute force with respect to the dosing of Anabolic Androgenic Steroids is the only way to grow. There is nothing profound about this particular intermediate cycle. It has been coordinated in such a way as to promote a proper balance androgens, size, and strength. Allow me to elaborate. Proviron, as most of you have noticed, was begun two weeks before we even began our first injection of Sustanon. Two weeks will probably be deemed excessive, but it will go along way in ensuring my desired outcome. Forget about what you have heard with respect to Proviron as an estrogen receptor competing drug. For our purposes, we can wipe a monkey�s ass with that contention. We are worried about plasma binding proteins impeding upon free flowing testosterone. Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, (SHGB) is our primary concern preventing this protein from interacting with needed androgens potentates the cycle. More free-flowing test left within the bloodstream to bind with tissue cells. 500mg of Sustanon 250 for 5 weeks, translates into 8 weeks of nicely elevated testosterone levels, thanks in part to the decanoate present within sustanon. Combine this with an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex and the user has created the optimal environment for anabolism. The user has constructed a testosterone rich environment, with a positive androgen:anabolic ratio. Those five weeks will be more than enough time to spark some significant growth without any physiological stagnation. A proper stack can�t be complete in my opinion, without incorporating a pure anabolic, a drug with a anabolic:androgen ratio exceeding 10:1. Primobolan Depot at 14:1 is perfect for our situation. Primobolan can be utilized effectively with slight deficits in caloric intake. What�s more high anabolic agents go long way in promoting what I can only call a �mature� look to the muscle. However, were still looking for proper synergy. Notice I incorporated the use of Arimidex along with Sustanon because an endogenous environment deficit of estrogen and high in androgenic activity promotes a greater degree of anabolism. Why did we incorporate Dianabol into the equation? Do we really want the dirty side effects it produces? The answer to this is yes and no. Dianabol conjoined with Primobolan Depot is providing the user multiple benefits in the following way: A. The doses are relatively low, but have you forgotten the role Proviron is playing? Plasma cells are already being effectively negated, therefore exacerbating the positive effects of this particular 17-aa. B. Im looking to perpetuate if not improve upon the in gym performance of the particular athlete. Strength instead of stagnating, as it normally does towards the end of a particular cycle, is being improved upon with the unimpeded Dianabol. C. Primobolan Activity is further promoting the onset of additional muscular hypertrophy, doing so safely without contributing to possible edema. The quality of your diet in these four weeks will determine the extent of the edema, if any, experienced. So, don�t worry about possible bloat. Your not going to be on the 17-aa for a significant time period, what�s is more your only 4 weeks away from proper estrogenic control with the use of clomaphine. Notice, as week 12 and 13 approach you have allowed enough time for the Decanoate to subside, however we still promoted a highly anabolic environment to perpetuate the growth realized by the Sustanon. We are all aware of the approximate half-life of orals so that�s not a factor. The Depot should being dissipating 7-8 days after injection, thus I recommended the 2 weeks of Daily clomaphine use to return H-P-T-A function in a timely fashion. In actuality, this can be extended by one week if the user chose to incorporate gonadotropin into the equation. Done every three days, two injections, beginning on week 12. The user would get a quick rush of LH, stimulating the processes within the Leydig cells of the testicals. Weeks 13-14 would be tackled with the use of clomaphine as laid out above, along with a general decrease in exercise volume and increase in dietary intake, specially with respect to protein and fats. The athlete is going to have responded with 10-20 lbs of lean muscle mass, and maintain every damn bit of it in the process. What�s more ill prove it, because I am putting �Peanut Butter� Elite Fitness member on this very damn plan. Imagine this plan coupled with 4on2 off Spurts of Growth Hormone and T3. UHHHHHHHH, BABY!! It�s fun to grow, but its even more fun to grow and know your doing it safely without fucking up liver and kidney functions. What's more the doses are low enough to be improved upon for multiple successive future cycles! Enjoy, and throw in some feedback negative or positive. It took an aquaintance and I 4 weeks to come up with this plan for the anal dick head who requested it. It returned us some profit for our work, but it hasn't changed the fact that this guy is still a DICK-HEAD!
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Freak
Posts: 1515 |
jesus TS can you write one post where i dont have to break out my damn thesaurus?? your obviously a very smart individual but your not writing a fucking essay im suprised you didnt double space this one maybe im the only dumbass here but im very interested in your opinions i only wish i could underststand them ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 536 |
Twisted, I never cease being impressed by you. You have got a very good head on yur shoulders bro. Don't know how effective that cycle was but you explained the exact reasoning behind the concept which is more than most others, including me, can do. I vote for TS to be a mod. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Damn nigga!! what did you go to gear college or what? ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 425 |
"Proviron, as most of you have noticed, was begun two weeks before we even began our first injection of Sustanon. Two weeks will probably be deemed excessive, but it will go along way in ensuring my desired outcome. Forget about what you have heard with respect to Proviron as an estrogen receptor competing drug. For our purposes, we can wipe a monkey�s ass with that contention. We are worried about plasma binding proteins impeding upon free flowing testosterone. Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, (SHGB) is our primary concern preventing this protein from interacting with needed androgens potentates the cycle. More free-flowing test left within the bloodstream to bind with tissue cells." Ok, I didn't know this was possible, can you actually inhibit SHGB from binding to test molecules? "500mg of Sustanon 250 for 5 weeks, translates into 8 weeks of nicely elevated testosterone levels, thanks in part to the decanoate present within sustanon. Combine this with an aromatase inhibitor like Arimidex and the user has created the optimal environment for anabolism. The user has constructed a testosterone rich environment, with a positive androgen:anabolic ratio. Those five weeks will be more than enough time to spark some significant growth without any physiological stagnation." This makes sense now that the Proviron has initialized a proper anabolic base in the body. Is it possible to use Nolvadex instead of Arimidex? Of course it wouldn't remove excess estrogenic hormones, but it would block them from affecting the receptors. "A proper stack can�t be complete in my opinion, without incorporating a pure anabolic, a drug with a anabolic:androgen ratio exceeding 10:1. Primobolan Depot at 14:1 is perfect for our situation. Primobolan can be utilized effectively with slight deficits in caloric intake. What�s more high anabolic agents go long way in promoting what I can only call a �mature� look to the muscle. However, were still looking for proper synergy. Notice I incorporated the use of Arimidex along with Sustanon because an endogenous environment deficit of estrogen and high in androgenic activity promotes a greater degree of anabolism." This is just stepping up the scale of the anabolic part of the cycle, I don't think it would create a major difference whether it's there or not. "Why did we incorporate Dianabol into the equation? Do we really want the dirty side effects it produces? The answer to this is yes and no. Dianabol conjoined with Primobolan Depot is providing the user multiple benefits in the following way: Actually, I see your reasoning for using the Primo. The Dbol is a good idea because the way it produces an anabolic state is quite different from other androgens. "Notice, as week 12 and 13 approach you have allowed enough time for the Decanoate to subside, however we still promoted a highly anabolic environment to perpetuate the growth realized by the Sustanon. We are all aware of the approximate half-life of orals so that�s not a factor. The Depot should being dissipating 7-8 days after injection, thus I recommended the 2 weeks of Daily clomaphine use to return H-P-T-A function in a timely fashion. Hey, Clomid and HCG is a great idea always. "It�s fun to grow, but its even more fun to grow and know your doing it safely without fucking up liver and kidney functions. What's more the doses are low enough to be improved upon for multiple successive future cycles! Enjoy, and throw in some feedback negative or positive. What can I say, make sure you're taking Milk Thistle, Dandelion, Uva Ursi, and Cranberry. ------------------ "Don't eat me! eat Dredd! he works out!" - From Judge Dredd. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 802 |
You never cease to amaze me Twisted. I can honestly say that the quality of your posts as improved so much in the last couple months its scary. You are one smart man and deserve your "Guru" status |
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posted September 28, 2000 07:06 PM
