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Mr H

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posted September 26, 2000 12:42 PM

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If anyone can provide any medical or college studies or reports on this topic please mail me. I don't care what some dick at TMag says, I want real evidence- not fodder to generate sales.

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ulter

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posted September 26, 2000 12:57 PM

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There are no peer reviewed articles or studies listed in the National Library on Medicine.


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Mr H

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posted September 26, 2000 03:03 PM

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Big Bad Booty Daddy

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posted September 26, 2000 03:09 PM

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This could end up really upsetting theHuck.


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bigrand

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posted September 26, 2000 05:22 PM

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Bump for Mr.H and my Fina!


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pillboy

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posted September 26, 2000 05:26 PM

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I believe that WAR stated that it caused elevated liver enzymes. But so does tylenol and alcohol. Im not sure its as bad as you might think.


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Zeacky

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posted September 26, 2000 08:29 PM

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Arch Toxicol 1988;61(4):249-58 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut


The genotoxicity of trenbolone, a synthetic steroid.

Richold M

Huntingdon Research Centre, Cambs, England.

Trenbolone, a synthetic androgen is used as a growth promotant in animal husbandry. Because of its steroidal structure and properties it has been extensively evaluated in a series of in vitro and in vivo assays to assess its genotoxic and initiating properties. Both the parent molecule 17-beta-hydroxy-trenbolone and its metabolite 17-alpha-hydroxy-trenbolone, produced only in cattle, have been tested. 17-beta-hydroxy-trenbolone was not genotoxic in the Ames Salmonella/microsome assay, cytogenetics assays in human lymphocytes and CHO cells, a micronucleus assay in CHO cells, a DNA repair synthesis assay in HeLa cells, mammalian cell mutation assays with CHO and V79 cells, the mouse micronucleus assay, rat bone marrow or spermatogonial cytogenetics assays or in a test for initiators in the rat. In the mouse lymphoma cell mutation assay with L 5178Y TK+/- cells, equivocal responses were obtained, particularly at highly toxic concentrations. With 17-alpha-hydroxy-trenbolone a weak positive response was obtained in the L5178Y Tk +/- assay, particularly at highly toxic concentrations. Negative results were obtained in the Ames Salmonella/microsome assay, the cytogenetics assays using both human lymphocytes in vitro and rat bone marrow in vivo, the DNA repair assay and in the CHO mammalian cell mutation assay. It was also negative in the in vivo test for initiators. From this extensive battery of data, and also taking into account published data on trenbolone, it is concluded that 17-alpha-hydroxytrenbolone and 17-beta-hydroxy-trenbolone are devoid of genotoxic activity and are not initiators of cancer.


LOOK at the last three lines!

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timac

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posted September 26, 2000 08:37 PM

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i will add fina to my next cycle.....


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Maverik

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posted September 26, 2000 08:41 PM

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Nevermind, stupid question. I already knew that. Must have been a brain fart!

[This message has been edited by Maverik (edited September 26, 2000).]


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Anabolicum Mister

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posted September 26, 2000 08:51 PM

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No it is not 17aa. I think you are getting confused with the 17-alpha-hydroxy metabolite of trenbolone (which is also something different than 17aa).


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Zeacky

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posted September 26, 2000 08:55 PM

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Like Ulter said, no studies on Trenbolone being toxic to kidneys, unless you have access to full text articles; in which case I'm sure it's in there.

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ryker77

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posted September 27, 2000 01:29 AM

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Ok in 75mg every third day cycle. How bad is fina on the liver?

I just found out that I have ben in contact with TB and now I have to take INH(isoniazid) for six months. The INH is very toxice to the liver. I can't even drink any beer for six months.


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