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TheDragon

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posted September 26, 2000 02:54 AM

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I'm going to be taking my first cycle(sus+deca)..ive read a little on gyno that comes from deca use and that clomid or nolva doesn't help it at all. This concerns me a bit..is it very common to get this type of gyno? I realize that everyone is different, but just curious how many of you have experienced it. Is it more of a rarity to get gyno from deca? Any feedback would be appreciated.


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stingray600

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posted September 26, 2000 03:10 AM

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deca is known to not produce as much gyno effects as other steroids such as Test. if you are worried about gyno effects, you should take an estrogen blocker like promovex or chrysin from a well know name brand company like EAS or ISS. This will help with the gyno problem.


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stickboy

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posted September 26, 2000 03:50 AM

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worry more about progesterone with deca, and no clomid and nolvadex won't help with it, but 50 mg eod of winstrol will. don't bother with well known companies that offer OTC products. take clomid and nolvadex for the sides from the sus.


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JayisCrazy

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posted September 26, 2000 11:27 AM

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1st of all...Crysin is total shit! Why would you buy that crap when you can get Clomid legally and CHEAPER! Also, NO estrogen blockers will work with Deca induced gyno. There is no estrogen produced with Deca. Deca is very close to progesterone (another female hormone) and your body thinks it is just that, hence the titties. The only thing that blocks progesterone is an anti-abortion drug called RU485 and there is no studies of this used in bodybuilding and the stuff is just unavailable.
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Jay


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted September 26, 2000 11:38 AM

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The addition of winstrol is also theorized to combat the progestenic sides of deca/anadrol.Winstrol has a strong binding affinity with the progesterone receptor and thus it's theorized that by latching on to it,it would prevent it from being activated in a negative manner(gyno).


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TheDragon

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posted September 27, 2000 04:02 AM

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Are the chances greater that I would get gyno from the sus or the deca..which one should I be more worried about?


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bstrong

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posted September 27, 2000 04:12 AM

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the problem with deca is that it tend to turn into progesteron easly (more than the rest of the light roids: winny, primo etc)
but if it's a first cycle and low dosge (under 300mg), u'de be safe.
there is thes theory about winny spose to help against it, and if u have the money it's a good 1st cycle.


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HUCKLEBERRY FINNaplex

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posted September 27, 2000 04:13 AM

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The gyno from the deca would definitely be more troublesome,as anti-estrogens would be useless against it,whereas with sustanon the gyno can be controlled with nolvadex.


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ironmaster

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posted September 27, 2000 04:30 AM

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dragon, you sound like the guy that emailed me on this tonight. It's like I said, start bigger on the sus. and ease into the deca cause you can control the side effects like gyno better when test is the basis of the cycle. If you have no problems, finish with the deca to hold gains a little better. Like the bro above said, winny is a good thing with deca. Most are not going to have this problem, but its a real bitch if you are one of the few.


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2legit2quit

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posted September 27, 2000 09:44 AM

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Don't be afraid to use the deca, but get some winstrol as a precautionary measure. If you are fortunate, you won't need it and can just save it for a later cycle.

Trust me, I wish I'd done it that way because I just did get gyno from deca while doing a deca/d-bol cycle. I was doing 400mg/week of deca (a fairly safe dosage I was told). I immediately tapered down (400 to 300 to 200mg's) and have just now got some winny and hoping that it helps. Tapering has helped as it has gone down quite a bit.


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TheDragon

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posted September 27, 2000 02:34 PM

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Im going to be taking 500mg sus and 300mg deca...should I decrease the deca to 200 just to be safe? TIA


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barney

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posted September 28, 2000 01:49 AM

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2legit, how do you know your gyno was caused by the deca not the dbol, it seems a lot of people have deca/test cycles and always seem to blame the deca these days, instead of the 500-1000mg of test they do each week?


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2legit2quit

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posted September 28, 2000 10:35 AM

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Barney, I know my gyno was most likely from the deca because I got a slight case of gyno from doing A-bombs a few years back. A-bombs induce gyno the exact same way as deca, although I didn't realize that until too late. Besides, I'm not bashing deca, just telling him to be safe and having winny on hand just in case. Better safe than sorry.

I'd stick with 400mg's, but just keep a look out. There's no reason to be paranoid about it (not saying you are), you'll probably have no problems at all.


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