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d1734

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posted September 23, 2000 03:04 PM

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i am confused to DEATH about these. i'm gonna use deca (nadrolone decanoate) as the example.

half life = 8 days

it seems to me that it would work like this: if you inject 800mg day 1...

day 4 = 200mg activated
day 8 = 400mg activated
day 12 = 600mg activated
day 16 = 800mg activated

and that would obviously end the cycle, half life = 8 so wouldnt the entire life of the steroid = 16 days?

bill roberts says its not like that. according to him it goes:

day 8 = 400mg active
day 16 = 200mg active
day 24 = 100mg active
day 32 = 50mg active
day 40 = 25mg active

etc....i think you get the point.

he wrote a long ass article on this subject for Meso so it seems he would be right but it just makes no sense to me. anyone wanna clear it up?


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Hardcore4Evr

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posted September 23, 2000 03:18 PM

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Doesnt make too much sense to me, either bro. Im confused as hell, as to what to start out with in my cycle too. T200, T50, or Sustanon? I mean, Sustanon starts working the first day, but T200 takes up to 4 weeks, and T50 only takes 3 days. I have always wanted to know if i should mix up T200 & T50. Dunno man. Hey....somebody out there give this guy some help.


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mike001

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posted September 23, 2000 03:52 PM

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what do you mean sustanon works the first day??? from what i know if takes as long as the t-200 ( 4 weeks )


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Jeff_rys

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posted September 23, 2000 04:29 PM

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A roid start working is not the same as when the roid kicks in. This usually takes weeks.
I know for a fact that Primobolan Depot works like hell after injection for about 5-6 hours, after that it still continious its work, but less intensive. But to see results it takes weeks.

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d1734

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posted September 23, 2000 05:14 PM

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bumping this back up. another point is that the way this works, the reason you wouldn't feel sust right away is because it takes awhile for it to be released from the long acting esters. long acting steroids naturally taper, most of the experts think tapering in most circumstances is done totally wrong. the very first injection should always be by far the largest because you don't have the buildup from previous weeks. sust 250 has some REALLY long acting esters in it, i think the reason ppl don't think it works until week 4 is because enough test doesnt build up in the system till then. week 4 isnt just week 4, its the week 4 + remnants of week 1 + week 2 + week 3. see what i'm saying? anyone else wanna jump in?


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DieHuge

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posted September 23, 2000 06:57 PM

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Bill Roberts is right. Half life is the rate of Decay. So if you take 800mgs, 8 days later you will have 400mgs active(half of the 800mgs), 16days later you will have 200mgs active(half of the 400mgs) etc.


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the truth

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posted September 23, 2000 07:20 PM

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DieHuge explained it perfectly.


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d1734

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posted September 23, 2000 10:39 PM

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seems to me like the longest acting esters would be the best value on a long steroid cycle (8-10 weeks). the stuff stays active in your body for a much longer period of time, of course that wouldnt work for what i plan to do though.

so the ideal for a 2 week cycle would be an ester that has a half life of no more than 4 days i'm thinking.


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ryker77

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posted September 24, 2000 02:18 PM

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I am taking 75mg (1ml) of Fina and 37mg (.5ml) of T50 every third day.

Is this OK?

I figure that it's still thier, just not as strong. Plus my workout routine is two on one off. So my rest day would be the day that my levels are coming down. Then take my next shoot 4-6 hours before next workout

I am going to do 4 weeks 2off then 4 more weeks and if the results are lower than expected I will then change to EOD for the last 4 weeks. I want to get big but I can't let it be to noticable.


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