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 Are you sick of people talking about cutting cycles??
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 71 |
The whole idea of taking anabolic steroids are to increase lean body mass. The only time to take something like Primobolan Depot is for contest prepartation. If you don't have test in your cycle your cheating yourself and your receptors. Not to mention your just wasting your time. Test and Anavar are the main drugs in most of my cycles. Nothing better than blowing up then getting hard and strong all in one cycle. Cutting cycles are for the guys at the gym that wear tank tops with baggy pants on. Do some legs once and a while and get huge!!     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
Bump, where are my Mods, I know they'll agree. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 359 |
Personally I enjoy a good cutting cycle just as much as a good bulking cycle. | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 2611 |
I think the term " Cutting cycle " is a mis-nomer....same as crash....Just a slang term we use to get the point accross that we are trying to put on lean mass while dieting(anti-catabolic), or the rapid loss of strength due to all the water retention going away quickly...CRASH!!! All the real good " Cutting Drugs " are to hard to come by...Masteron, and Parabolin....Ah, that's life though.....BUT, I do agree....if your not doing legs....hang it up!!!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
Ok I totally agree with you Ranger. If you can get the Parabolan and Masteron, then more power to you to do a "cutting cycle" whatever that really means? We all say these days that Arnold had the best Physique in Bodybuilding. What was he taking, a steady diet of test, even though it was Methyl, it was still test. Look how awesome he looked. In my opinion if you can get some Sus and stack it with parabolan, then your in for the ride of your life!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 99 |
I'm with Maverik,I like the cutting cicle after my bulk cicle, make me look great on the beach and the girls like the ripped look with the 6 packs. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
Let me guess your one of the types that only does upper body in the gym right? And you also do calves so it creates the illusion of good legs. Am I right on with this one? Cutting cycles are good, but you don't need to take steroids to get a 6pack. A healthy diet with some early morning cardio will do the trick. Like I said before, just do two 8 week mass cycles a year. That leaves you 36 weeks for Clen and ECA to "cut". And the "cutting part" of my equation isn't even considered a cycle because clen isn't a steroid. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 28 |
I agree that juice won't help to get ripped, but it does help to maintain LBM while losing the fat. Personally, if I use an E/C/A stack, do cardio and restrict my diet WITHOUT steroids, I end up losing almost as much muscle as fat. I don't think large quantities are necessary, but even a little primo or deca, can do wonders to help maintain muscle while cutting up. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
lpw, I dont think you relized what you just said? Steriod wont get you ripped? Do winny for 8-10 weeks, with anavar or EQ. Even by itself you will get ripped as fuck, veins and striations popping out, this is assuming you diet correctly and perform you am cardios. Call it what you want guys, When Im not bulking, if Im trying to CUT FAT, I will lose muscle adding in Winny or EQ or Primobolan will help me retain and add to my muscle while cutting out all fat. Slopain | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 115 |
Personally, I'm in this for 2 reasons...to be healthy, and to look good. If one only does "bulking cycles," neither one of these goals could completely be obtained because a human body can only hold so much mass on it (Lee Priest out of the equation @ 5'2"...), and you'd never get that lean, hard, tight look...now I'm not sayin' I want to be a f*ckin' Abercrombie model, but I like walking down the beach and getting looked at...just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth... ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
First off, you contradicted yourself, if you want to be healthy, steroids are not for you. I don't care what anyone says. Sure they are much more safe if used wisely than Pot, Crack, etc.... But by no means are they healthy. If that were the case they would be legal. Personally I love steroids and I believe everyone has their own reasons to take them. But unless you have an incredible amount of mass to begin with, there's no reason to do a cutting cycle, unless you have Parabolan and Masteron. Most people cut too early in the steroid experiences. It should be saved for your 3rd or 4th cycle. By then you should have enough mass to get away with it. Life's too short to be small.... | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
At least you relize cutting cycles have their place... And your rational for legal = healthy is complete bullshit. I don't think I even have to expand on that one. The govt interests isnt always your health man child. Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 343 |
Maybe a better term would be "pre-contest" cycle...? ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 28 |
Slopain, Yeah I do realize what I said and I'm sticking to it. Winny and anavar will help you retain muscle, but they are not fat burners. Steroids will not cause you to lose fat. Even you said: ---- quote: .....this is assuming you diet correctly and perform you am cardios. ----- Cardio, exercise, diet, thermogenics -- these things cause you to lose fat; not steroids. I stand by my original post. Use AS to help keep mass when cutting, but don't think that they will reduce the fat. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 559 |
hey man child anytime you want to get worked on the squat rack, im right over the bridge in st pete! who gives a fuck what your sick off--- no one asked you to do a cutting cycle now did they, i didnt ask you and by the way if you would of read i have propionate in my cutting cycle, i cut like once every two years, your probaly one of those chubby guys that cant get cut and calls himself a powerlifter! and another thing my cutting means just harder and more vascular and i dont need to where tank tops in the gym, id rather just go to the beach why you sit inside w/ your powerlfting bod. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 559 |
alright ill cool off----- theres nothing i love more than bulking up, but sometimes you gotta change it up its good for you. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 122 |
i hate those big ass mofo's that have fucking chicken legs. it does not look right. work out your legs or dont work out at all. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 359 |
LOL! Hey bro you do what you want and we will do what we want. We are not all in this to just be big and bulky. Some of us like to show off our muscles and definition a little bit and that is hard to do under a layer of fat. And the reason people incorporate gear while their dieting is to preserve muscle mass. Dieting without gear almost always causes muscle loss which is sonething that I for one don't want. I don't really think the reson for incorporating gear while dieting really needs to be explained but apparently it does in this case. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2063 |
lpw, I think we are on the same boat the line that led to misscoummincations was: quote: Juice obviously WILL HELP you get ripped, provided your diet/training is good. The rest of your statements I totally agree with. Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 359 |
Uh, why are there two slopains?? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
HMMMM.... YEAH, I AGREE. SOME PEOPLE WANT TO CUT... BUT FOR WHAT?? THEY LOOK LIKE A PENCIL DICK ALREADY....I AINT GONNA CUT TILL I GET AS BIG ENOUGH TO REACH MY GOALS... THEN I WILL LOSE THE FAT. I AINT GOT NO COMPETITION TO GO TO AND HAVE NO PROBLEM SHREDDING POUNDS.. SO IT MEANS NOTHING TO ME. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 82 |
Child first off you need to define what you are calling "cutting". What I call cutting is not doing a test based cycle with say Whinny, EQ, or Fina. When I say cutting it is to help rid the body of the extra fat that was put on from the bulk cycle. Mine is not to get "ripped", because one I know my genetics are never going to allow me to, and two I like being thick. Some will do "cutting" cycles to reduce fat and water and bulk to help them get the nice veiny look that they love so much. That is some people. They need help also. Not just everyone looking to bulk needs cycle info. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
I knew this post would raise some eye brows. Hey @LRG bring your skinny legs on. I'll be in Golds this Tuesday doing legs. I will be the guy that has everyone in awe. My whole debate on Cutting or Bulking is this. From all of the guys I know who do cutting cycles, only one or two should actually be on them. They are not cost effective and for all intensive purposes do not work that well. Most of us who use anabolic steroids do not wish for anyone to know about our use. Therefore we take these cutting cycles that don't blow you up and make your use obvious ie:Sus, DBol, etc... If steroids were excepted in society I guarantee more of you out there would be using bulking drugs. | ||
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Guru
Posts: 2063 |
Looks like I got my account back, thank you George. Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 359 |
That's cool. What about me, George?? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
Like I have posted before, I am currently "cutting". or "pre-contest dieting" and I'm losing weight, but I have also lost about an inch in the arms, and an inch and a half in the legs. No matter what, if your dieting (dropping calories) you going to lose size. Once the fat is gone, then your ripped. It's as simple as that. I think if your a ripped 180, you look bigger than a bulked 210. Your gunna lose size of course. But you gunna look bigger and better. [This message has been edited by harmonic (edited September 24, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 105 |
Everyone in awe? Isn't that mighty narcisistic of you. For everyone's info...since I started juicing I am much more ripped than I used to be. Maybe it's just a fluke...huh? ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 394 |
Anavar was proven in the New England Journal of Medicine to actually burn fat. Just thought I would throw that in. Later, | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 117 |
And what if you're not a bodybuilder. Anabolics are used for many other sports and a lot of the sports are inhibited by lots of weight gain be it muscle or water or whatever. Most need speed, most you need to train so intensely to be competitive that you don't have time to lift weights and if you did you'd be so overtrained that it wouldn't help, but hurt. Steroids have been proven to be beneficial for a variety of sports and health concerns for that matter. As far as health, it's the ABUSE, that's unhealthy. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 71 |
Ok all good points. I never said I was against the use of "cutting" drugs such as Winny and Anavar. I'm against doing cutting CYCLES. Big difference, taking one "cutting" drug in a cycle as compared to devoting an entire cycle to just cutting up. Not to mention drugs like winny and Anavar which I am all for, help increase strength dramatically which in itself increases LBM. And as for the health concerns, read a post above that talks about Bridging. Too many bodybuilders depend on bridging because they don't think they can grow without steroids. That leads to health problems. And one more point, I'm all for the so called cutting cycles only if you have enough mass to get away with it. I'm just sick of seeing small guys go straight for the Winny,Deca, and Primobolan without using some test. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
heres the way i look at it. there is NO such thing as a "cutting" drug or a "mass" drug! There are drugs that make you hold water and drugs that do not(or not as much), simple as that. Dont beleive me? go on a diet, just like you would when you were on a "cutting" cycle and use test enanthate, some d bol, maybe some deca as well. once you have completed the diet and get off of the drugs you will have "cut" exactly the same as if you were taking winny and primobolan. go on an eating binge with pimo and winny and you will also gain size. no, not the 30 lbs you would have if you were holding all the water from normal "mass" drugs, but the same amount once you get the water out. why do people think these drugs actually do such different things? they all increase protein synthesis and nitrogen retention as well as make us hold a certain amount of water (some more than others). Thats pretty much it, the ones that make you "hard" are just not making you hold water. the ones that make you "huge" are also making you hold water, thus the 25 lb weight gain. at this time you are also eating alot of food at this time as well so of course you are going to grow. my point is, you will get similar lean mass results no matter what drug you are on. your diet is the most important variable when it comes to how you look. this is how natural BB's can go on "bulking cycles" and "cutting cycles" with using only food, and of course those worthless supplement  just thought id throw my opinion out there.. peace | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 117 |
A frickin rower got busted for anabolics at the Olympics today. You know those little 12 year old gymnasts HAVE to be taking the shit. They jump 20 feet in the air! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 559 |
funny didnt mention exactly what golds, "in awe" easy there your blowing smoke up your ass a little much now dont you think! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 389 |
we are all in awe of you posting prowess..heh heh heh https://www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/031336.html ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 750 |
No, I dont believe in AS for cutting down. Kind of defeats the purpose of taking it in the first place. Now I know some contest guys need it, but for the average Joe I think its a waste. |
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posted September 23, 2000 01:06 PM