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 HOW LONG SHOULD I STAY "OFF" .........looking for some opinions (e2 & others)
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| Author | Topic: HOW LONG SHOULD I STAY "OFF" .........looking for some opinions (e2 & others) | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 574 |
mid March- mid May I did a sust(500mg/wk) d-bol(25mg/day) cycle for 8 weeks. I then took 4 weeks off and started a fina cyle(75mg EOD) and test prop at (100mg EOD). I ran this for 6 weeks up until early Aug, then I switched to test enanthate(500mg/week) deca (200-300mg week) and d-bol 50mg/day. I ran this until last sunday. I know you guys will think I am crazy for being on for 16 weeks but I am a competitve strongman and my competition was in Aug. How long do you guys think I should stay off? I was thinking of doing a 3 week bridge cycle with EQ only in 4 weeks. Then 2-3 weeks after that I would hit the androgens heavy again. I have no competitions in the near future, but I don't want to loose too much size b/c this time of year I will be doing a shit load of cardio....     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 59 |
Don't have an answer for your question but the www.uglyguy.com picture yesterday was funny as hell. P.S. I think your nuts going 16 weeks [This message has been edited by DSPO (edited September 23, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 76 |
bro, your androgen receptors are exausted! if you have no competitions coming up you should take a couple of months off. get yourself some hcg and clomid. take the hcg for like 3 weeks and then the clomid for another 3weeks. this will probably help alot. then when you go back on gear you shouldn't need such high doses. maybe some of the others bro's have some more info to help you out. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 109 |
id say stay off for atleast 3 months | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 574 |
THANKS GENTS!!! BUMP FOR MORE OPINIONS | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 991 |
I know this sounds nuts (because it is) but back when I was a young fool I stayed on for 14 months. So 16 weeks doesn't sound long to me. If you are competitive strong man why not come off 6-8 weeks and just take Oxandrolone 15-20mg/day. It will keep your strength up and even though it's a good anabolic it will give your organs a little breathing room and will allow your immune system to return to normal. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 377 |
What you have to decide is whether you are looking at health or max growth. As far as recptors being exhausted I just dont know, but Ive been on for most of this year 8 weeks on and 3 off and am growing like a madman. 3 weeks seems to work for me, and really its more of a rest than anything else ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 574 |
Kane, you said 3 weeks off, is this accounting for drugs which have long half lives like sust??? If you took a shot of sust then waited 3 weeks, you could not call that 3 weeks "off" time | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 350 |
Where do you ge the money to be on for so long? I am curious as to what the Mods and Vets have to say about this? ------------------ | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 5016 |
Why go off??? What's the point in that? I like your idea of the brigde but i'd make it longer maybe 5 weeks, then hit tha androgens again. Forget coming off. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 440 |
Give it about 6 weeks and eat good and jump back on (for the record your too yong but your not going to listen to me so ) 6 weeks | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 574 |
CONSULTANT, who's too young????????? I am 26. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 377 |
Well first off I know how sust works. I always switch from sust to eth to prop to keep me clean after the 8th week. So maybe my 3 weeks is the same as somebodies 6. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
I am interested in this, was thinking of staying on or bridging or cycling highly toxic vs low toxic cycles consectively..Bump for some more comments... Slopain | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 84 |
Time on equals time off | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
I think everyone is well awar of that saying.. his goals arent in line with that little bit of wisdom though. Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 346 |
This is one of those, "why are you using in the first place" questions. You are obviously committed to being the best strongman you can be and I believe that is quite different then most bros goals here. I used to think that "time on equals time off" was written in stone but now that I've been around for a little while longer I think that statement is relative. If you aren't seeing a lot of sides, do the bridging and hit it hard again, you want to win that next contest don't you??? The only thing I would suggest is that you get bloodwork done every few months, just to be sure nothing REALLY serious is going on. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 166 |
I agree with the Doc on getting blood work done. Your body may not be able to handle the stress as well as someone else. I agree with E2 - why come off? Time on = time off only if you agree with one step forward - one step back. I try to keep really toxic shit (WV, fina, A50) to six weeks with breaks in between. Using primobolan in between heavy cycles for 2-4 weeks gives the body a break too. If you notice you are losing strength/size you can adjust your bridging dosages. I think primobolan, Eq, and low doses of test are the best bridges. WV is cool, but it makes my muscles tight. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 59 |
Damn,,E2 and gearseeker are hard core,,I would think that would destroy your nuts and make you infertile,,Maybe not,,anyway if your hardcore I would take E2s advice..Personally I would take at least enough time to get your nuts back to normal..Bam Bam | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 58 |
u r a fucking psycho monstrosity buy i have to respect u. im just wondering how much weight u put on after ur cycle. thats a lot of shit going into ur body. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
take the same amount of time off as you were on that always works for me. safest way also. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 171 |
3 months will cleanse your receptors and make you respond effectively to even lower dosages of gear when you cycle back on ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 202 |
u gotta be one strong MF | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 374 |
E2, I really like what you are saying here. I just got off about a month ago and people are already telling me I look smaller. I really want to at least bridge with some low levels of test for maybe the next month and then get back on. I would think that low levels of test would still allow your body to cleanse your receptors for your next cycle. However, It scares me that I might not be able to get my nuts going again. What are the odds that I could become permanently infertile. I have always had great respect for your opinions. Do you really think it would be better to just not get off and just bridge on your down time? If I do bridge how many mgs of test should I take a week?(I have some test enanthate left over from my cycle so that is what I would be taking) Thanks, [This message has been edited by androx (edited September 25, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 929 |
This is a good thread,,very intresting. ------------------ Bros before Hos SIG EP 4 LIFE! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 933 |
Get blood work done and when your test levels return to normal then you can go on another cycle. I have a cool doctor that supports my habit and I get test monthly. I went on a three month cycle, used HCG, clomid, by the book. Comes to find out even after all the back up my test levels were a lousy 105! So,I back to HCG for a few weeks and another month of 100mgs. clomid. Blood test bro, thats the only way to go. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5016 |
Use clomid 50mg eod and you're natural test level will never be depleted, problem solved. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 760 |
I know it's hard bro but it's better to come off completly then to stay on. It's healthier and the receptors have a chance to get cleansed. I know you are a competitive athlete just time your drugs around your competitions. You will get better results and stay healthy... Besides your body grows better in short bursts 2-3 weeks I would do 6 weeks on and then go off for 6 weeks and then on... Time the drugs to be out at the 6 week mark.. (ex. stop sust at week 3...) [This message has been edited by DREXX (edited September 25, 2000).] | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 36 |
just read an interesting interview (although old) with Louie Simmons of powerlifting fame and he stated that he has been on for 28 straight years to varying degrees - yow! ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 5016 |
HEAVYWEAR THOSE SHIRTS ARE INCREDIBLE!!!! I'LL BE ORDERING SOME SOON, FEEL LIKE GIVING ME A DISCOUNT??? HEH HEH ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 46 |
Well...I am not a pro, but I associate with one of the most popular bodybuilders on the planet and am aware of his methods. I use a lesser version. Generally, the "on" will be 12 to 16 weeks, but varying the products every four weeks (overlapping, always an oral stack with at least one injectable). Always on GH, period. "Off" cycles consist of 300 to 500 of Primobolin every week for six to eight weeks. Clomid and/or HCG for at least three weeks after the "on". I subscribe to the same, but for lesser periods of time "on", and lower doses. Excellent retention, solid gains, liver profiles acceptable. Liver to normal after Primo cycle. In my humble opinion, after hanging around the pros for awhile, is it is not necessary to ever be off unless you have liver/kidney issues, etc. Bite the bullet and pay for these tests at least every six weeks while "on", then at the end of the "off". For those less aggressive, the optimal is two to three months off. The longer "off" the better the gains when you come back "on" BUT you will not be as big as you would have been if you stayed on a continuous regimen similar to the above. Good luck. ------------------ | ||
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Novice 
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SOUNDS LIKE A QUESTION I HAVE SEEN ALOT...(ONE POST-SCREWED MY I.D. UP) MY QUESTION IS TO THE HARDCORE... WHAT ABOUT DNP.. HAVE YOU SEEN OR EXPERIENCED ANY OF THE SO CALLED RECEPTOR CLEANSING IT IS RUMORED TO DO? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 171 |
You are wasting your money staying on and not taking time off.In the past,I stayed on for a very extended period of time.It was basically maintenance after I had peaked. After 12 weeks off I was bigger and stronger than ever after only being on for 4 weeks and my gains just skyrocketed because of the new enthusiasm.Take the time totally off.You never know what possible damage you could be doing.Ever wonder where all the "FLASH IN THE PANS" went?One day they were on top of the irongame then they just suddenly dropped out of sight.Why would they quit all of a sudden if they were on top? Doesn't make sense.Health problems possibly? We have all heard the rumors,Why take the risk.Go seek counseling if you can't handle coming off.You have some major issues ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 1804 |
Well I guess this is where we seperate the men from the boys. Docj hit it on the nose. If you're seeing no sides...why bother ? Run a bridge if you need to but as long as you're switching things up as you are....why stop ? The whole recedptor burn out theroy is crap. Must have been made up by Muscletech. If you never come off of A50's...you'll have problems. Use you head and paln the things like you've been doing and you'll be fine. My off time consists of this. I will order only one cycle at a time. On the day of my last cycle, I order my next one. Depending on how long it takes to get my next goodie box, that my off time. With the exception of my time off from injury, I'm sure that any day of the last 10 yrs, I could have tested positive for something. Keep up with your doc visits and you'll know what to do. BPP | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 574 |
Big Hurt, I do have issues and those are to succeed. I'm sorry that success isn't part of your life. I'm not willing to do it at any cost and that is the sam ereason for this post. If your head was removed from your ass you would have realized the title of my post was "HOW LONG SHOULD I STAY OFF, LOOKING FOR SOME EXPERT OPINIONS. How this included your garbage advice I don't know..... Good day tiny man! |
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posted September 23, 2000 12:35 AM
