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 Is it possible someone can be "Immune" to gear???
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Pro Bodybuilder 
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I have a friend, no its not really me but an actual friend who has a problem. Much like me he's been at it for a long time, in his mid 30's, tried every natural supplement made in the last 10-15 years. He had used gear in the past and decided to do so again when he got stuck at 200lbs. Now this guy has tried 2 mass cycles, consisting of the usual D-bol, Sust, Deca. The first cycle he gained about 5 lbs. The second he's about 6 weeks through it and hasn't gained a pound, not one. Before you say it, his gear came through with an order someone else is using and that guy over the 6 weeks has gained 28lbs and it looks it. The first cycle he used Clomid 50mg eod, this cycle I told him to hold off maybe thats why he wasnt growing. I dont know what to tell him anymore, he eats 250-300 grams of protein a day, 3000-4000 calories, drinks 2 gals of water a day. Uses vitamins, milk thistle, saw palmetto, concentrated cranberry extract. Eats 6 times a day, 3 50gram protein drinks and 3 meals. I see this guy almost everyday and he's doing everything he's supposed to do, but still nothing. BTW, he has acne on his shoulders, the usual oily skin and hair also started 3 days into the cycle. He's taking about a 1.25 grams of anabolics/week. His strength had gone up, and he has more aggression, it did on the first cycle to but no weight or size. So my question is this. Could he somehow be "immune" to test??? Could he have somehow fucked up his receptors using all that prohormone crap and the other stuff? I already suggested to increase the calories and protein, he told me that he's eating as much or more than he's done in the past and never had a problem before. I'm stumped, anyone want to take a guess????     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 226 |
His shit fake? Just my guess. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 305 |
I'll bump this for you bro cause it sounds like he's doing everything right. Doesn't seem fake either if the other guy gained 28 lbs. Maybe he needs to do an E2 cycle. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 365 |
How does he look, yoda? I always trust the mirror over the scale. After many cycles, weight gains are not like the first few cycles, but quality and density and hardness and vascularity continue to improve. If we always gained weight like we did the first few cycles, we would all be 500 pound gorillas, right? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 352 |
Does he sleep at least 8 hours a night? Does he try to get plenty of rest between workouts? How often does he workout? Even on steroids you could overtrain. Does he do aerobics? Has his strength levels gone up? If he used a lot of prohormones, then his body isn't as responsive to testosterone than if he hadn't used them, but he still should be having some water retention bodyweight gain... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 348 |
I seem to remember one other guy having that problem around here, way back in Apr/May.. Not sure what became of it, but the fact that I have heard it before means there could be something to it.. Check through the archives.. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 258 |
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 233 |
I GOT A BRO DOWN HERE IN TX, HE CANNOT GAIN OFF THE SAME GEAR AND SAME CYCLES I USE WHEN I GET PLENTY.... MYSTERY.... GLAD IT AINT ME!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 548 |
I'll try to get the answers to those I dont already know, but he works out with me twice a week, and by himself the third day. Trains each body part once per week, uses compound exercises and lots of weight/intensity. Genetically, although he has used before it was long ago and he didn't keep much if any of his gains, so the 60-70lbs he put on was done mostly natural. I'd say anyone capable of that has good genetics. He looks basically the same as when he started, although between the gym and outside the gym I see him almost every day so maybe I just dont see it. He tells me he weighs the same and his bodyfat levels are the same also. Yes he has gained strength on all his basic moves, his bench has gone up 50lbs in the 6 weeks. You'll have to take my word for this, HIS GEAR IS NOT FAKE!!!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 98 |
He might just be to his full potential, gear or no gear. I myself find it extremely hard to gain anything anymore even with gear. And I am not a big guy. Everyone in my family is tiny...and I mean tiny. My 5'9" brother who is 3 years older than me and eats plenty and works out every now and then, fluctuates between 121-125. I'm 5'9" and a half and only weigh 185 and I outweigh everyone in my family by plenty. I've done 3 cycles too and have been lifting balls to the wall for 8 years. They only thing I seem to really be able to increase anymore is my strength and density. I guess it's kind of a blessing but when you wanna hit a mass cycle it's kind of a curse. You just have to do what you can and never give up. ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 61 |
Listen its genetics just because u use juice doesnt mean ull be huge, it depeneds on how ur body accepts foregn hormons. for example i can gain 30 pounds off of about 20 sust, while my other buddy can only gain 15-20pounds. its genetics, whats probly happening is that his body is flushing out the testostrone faster then i can be used, OR his hormone receptors are fucked, the test might just not be able to get absorbed by the cells because of shitty receptors, and thats a very large possiblity. if thats the case (and it does happen alot, that peoples receptors dont respond well to forgein substances) then he should just stop wasting his money. poor guy. this shit happens to a good number of people, but because only like 2% of people in a nation acculy do steroids then the odds are that the 2% have good receptors, thats why u dont hear about it often. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 418 |
Genentics can always be altered by Juice (I am living proof, find a new source! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 61 |
consult thats not true. because if that was true then why does 1 person gain 20 pounds while another gains 30, both people eating the same, doing same juice, same quintitys, same exrcies. etc. genetics as much as we hate to admit ARE the limiting factor. other wise the biggest bodybuilder would be the guy who can afford the most juice and we all know thats not true. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 20 |
i read a article months ago by dan ducaine(sp.) that stated about 10% of AS users will not see any effects whatsoever, no matter what they do or use. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 418 |
Omeg I dont agree! (I do agree with MJ I read that article) The reason some gain 20 and some again 30 is that you will never find two people with the exact same chemical makeup! Receptor sites musscle tissue, diet, skin thickness or tone there are about a million diff factors. Some people repond better to orals than other because they abosrb better when they digest. Will they limit you in the end yes but I worked out for 3 years strait tried all the protien and powders and could not gain a lb then it was time to juice and now I have gained over 60lbs of pure muscle over 4 years of juice now where were my genetics when I needed them? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 548 |
Well I hate to say it but maybe he has hit his genetic potential. His dad is small, like 120lbs small and his mom and sisters are also tiny, maybe this is as big as he can get. I feel bad for him, because he's made some great progress naturally and I thought the gear would push him into a whole other group. I guess we all should feel lucky this isnt us!!! I'd still like to know if there is anything else he should try, like GH or Insulin, if there's anything he can try to help out. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 555 |
FUCK I hope I'm not one of those 10%. I did a cycle (400mg of cyp/week) and only gained like 7-8lbs. I got acne bad and my strengh went up. I aks around and I as told to try something else, something my anabolic. I'm trying 400mg/week deca next. I'll see then huh? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 61 |
Consult wtf do u think genetics are man? its how your body works the chemistry everything, genetics is what u are. if u have good genetics that u are health, good receptors, fast motabilzim. etc. thats what genetics are bro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 98 |
Consult, the reason you probably didn't gain much in those first 3 years is because you probably didn't work out worth a fuck. Genetics play a major role. Ronnie Coleman is a massive man because of training and genetics and lastly, A.S. Don't underestimate the power of good genetics. The won't keep you from reaching your goals, but they will affect you greatly. The key is learning to use what you have. And never giving up. ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." |
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posted September 22, 2000 03:47 PM