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 Where Did the 2/4 vs "Traditional" Cycle Post Go?
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Cool Novice 
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Where did this thread go? It seemed to have some very good input and I was going to use the research in a study that I am doing. I went to refresh my browser and cannot seem to find it. Does anyone have an explanation?     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 50 |
I can't find it either. It must have been "lost" like all of my stuff. I bet this gets erased as well. ------------------ LIFT UNTIL YOU DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
Well, if anyone wants to continue the discussion I guess here is the place to do it. Any more input/questions? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 742 |
Yeah! I was looking for that thread ;( Well I said I was going to do it with only one injection on day 1. Using long lasting stuff... I was wondering what you guys would take either 1000mg (500mg Sust+500mg Enant) or 1500mg (750mg Sust+750mg Enant)... I will take 50mg of Dbol/day for 14 days as well... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Bump for comments... | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
How many cycles have you done in the past, or in other words how far are you above your "natural" limits? If you are way past, I would go with 1000mg of just sustanon on day 1, or if you have only done a couple of cycles 750mg's on day 1 should be sufficient. I am sure you know this, but have your clomid ready to go at the end of your two "on" weeks to get everything back on line. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Wanderer: I have done 4 cycles. The heaviest one being the last. 750mg of Sust for 6 weeks. I have been training 7 years and went from 125lbs to 195lbs. My little bro is 20yrs old so full grown and doesnt train, he weighs 155lbs at my height. I am assuming that I am about 40lbs above my natural limit (if no training or roids). For the clomid I have about 240 at home I will be using 1 eod during and for 2 weeks after as with all my cycles... 1000mg is the lowest I would go with this type of cycle. Would I be better off taking more? It's my first time stacking with dbol so the results should be good. Week 1&2 will be the cycle Calories 4500 Week 3&4 Calories 4000 Week 5&6 start over again with proper adjustments | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
bump | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
DREXX: I would be very surprised if you do not get good results from using 1000mg of sust. on day 1. Coupled with the dbol this has the potential of being a good short cycle. What are your expectations of this cycle? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 325 |
IMO, Sust is about the worst choice for a short cycle. the longest acting ester will be active in the body for a month. the max time the drug should be active is right around 14 days. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
d1234: I know that sust lasts 23 days.. and i dont care  I will use it because i have it at home... If I tend to like these short cycles I will buy prop. But now I have 9amps of Sust and 9 amps of Enant... I am not really concerned with the HPTA anyway... I want to try short cycles because the body is more effective in growing for 2 weeks than for a long period (8-10 weeks). I always gain 90% of my gains in the first 3-4 weeks of a conventional cycle. wanderer: Gaining 10lbs of weight and maintaining 5lbs of LBM at the end of week 6 would equate to success. [This message has been edited by DREXX (edited September 20, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Bump for comments... | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
DREXX: Doing a bit more research right now....will give you my 2 cents worth later on tonight. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
wanderer : Cool! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
OK. The only drawback to using 1000mg's of sustanon at once is that the decanote component will still be hanging around past two weeks, which is what we are trying to avoid. However, according to my research 500mg's of sustanon on day 1 of a 2/4 cycle did not produce much inhibition into week 3. 1000mg by itself will almost certainly be inhibitive in week 3, so why not compromise and go with 750mgs. Also, since you plan on using dbol during the cycle, this makes the effects of the sust. more favorable for gaining strength and maintaining your gains. If it were me, I would go 750mgs of sust. on day 1 as well as the dbol. At the end of 2 weeks, go to 300mgs of clomid on day 1 and 50mgs thereafter. In addition, I would continue to take 50mgs of dbol during your "off" weeks-just make sure that it is all taken before noon as to not effect the HPTA axis. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Thanks for the advice. That is pretty much what I thought from reading meso bill roberts stuff. Well 750mg isn't much that's the problem. I also have Enant. Which will give me 500mg of Sust and 500mg of Enant. The enanth is around for like 10 days so the the sust will be the only one left after 14 days. I know with this I might cause inhibition and a slight crash of the hpta but its a lot easier to come back then being on for 8-10 weeks. I will take clomid eod during and like you said after. So the shutdown should be very small.
The good thing about this is getting the benefits for 2-3 weeks and then going off right away so you can do another cycle faster. There is no point to make the cycle 4 weeks longer if I will only gain another 2-3lbs. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 742 |
Bump for the late birds |
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posted September 20, 2000 02:09 AM