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posted September 19, 2000 09:54 PM

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My plan for dnp and your critiques please:

Stats: Weight = 246 lbs, height = 5'11", bf% = somewhere >20% (prob. like 20%)

Goal: My goal is to lose approximately 10 lbs of bf without losing muscle mass by day 11.

General: First ever DNP cycle. The dnp phase of this cycle will last only 7 days. Days 1,2, and 3 will consist of only 200mg dnp taken at 7pm every night. Days 4,5,6, and 7 will consist of 400mg dnp. (I know this is light but i have my whole life to increase the dosages on another cycle but i will take it easy on this one)

For seven straight days after the last day of dnp ingestion, I will consume 25mcg of t3.

Supplementation: Supplementation will include the following on each of the dnp days:

8am: 1 adipokinetics, 300mg alpha-lipoic acid, 1500mg pyruvate, 800mg magnesium, 500iu NAC, 400iu vitamin E, 1000mg vit C, 1 multi vit, and 1 vit D.

12pm: 37.5 mg phentermine, 1000mg calcium, 500iu NAC, and 400iu vit E.

3pm: 300mg alpha-lipoic acid, 1500mg pyruvate, 800mg magnesium, 500iu NAC, 400iu vitamin E, 1000mg vit C, 1 multi vit, and 1 vit D.

7pm: 200-400mg dnp and 1000mg calcium

Cardio: I will cycle for 45 minutes ed in the morning.

Strength: I will be doing fairly light weights to accomplish at least 13-15 reps per exercise. I will only be doing 12 sets maximum and I will be doing 2-3 bodyparts per weight day. Rest period between sets will be 90 seconds.

Nutrition: Calories will come mostly from protein at appx. 200g / day. Carbohydrates will be constant around 100g - 150mg / day. Water intake will be a minimum of 2 gallons / day

Other: Fans will be on HIGH! Bedding will be an old sheet and pillowcase that I will wash DAILY. Clothing will be light in color. Deoderant will be HEAVY!

OK, guys. Please critique this plan. I am a great taker of criticism in any form as long as it is constructive. Come on guys, question it if you doubt ANYTHING here as this is a potentially dangerous drug that i have never used. I appreciate the responses as usual and will keep you guys posted on the results provided I am still here to type. Lol

Peace, msg

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CLEMDOG

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posted September 19, 2000 10:21 PM

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bump, I'd like to hear more about DNP.


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Your supplementation looks pretty good, but I would up the Vit C to 1000 mg 2x/day. I personally don't like the idea of adding the adipo and phen, but you're taking a light dose of DNP (my girlfriend used 400 mg/day and was pretty comfortable) so this might be productive. Your training schedule sounds reasonable (I don't train at all on DNP).


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today was my last day on DNP.thank God.
I did it for 8 days.it stays active in your body for 36 hrs.So I guess I still have a few days left!.
I went up to 600mgs taken 300 every 12 hrs.
I would have to say that glycerol helped me alot by slowing the sweating prosses by drawing the water in the muscle cells and taurine helped with the cramps I also took potassium in a powder form.1 tbsp in 3 drinks I make up in the morning.
I take tons of vit.Don't have the patience to type them all, since I am a 2 finger typist.
1 thing I will change is not to take it too close to bedtime because I had problems sleeping(waking up every 30 min.)
I started it with my cycle,I am already lean so the reason I took it was to see for my self if it does help up the receptor upgrade thing.I know that I have very little glycogen in the muscle (very flat)So I should fill out again as soon as the drug clears.So I will take that in consideration with the weight gain I expect to happen in the next few days.
the real test of receptor upgrade I feel will happen in a few weeks.Not days.

MSG email me if you need specific info.


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what is the action of DNP exactly, it affects the thyroid, correct?


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posted September 19, 2000 11:02 PM

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oops - that was supposed to be 1000mg vit c twice per day.
thanks buddy.


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msg --

I know you want to stay light on the DNP, but, I personally didn't feel ANYTHING on less than 600mg/day. I only weigh 185 pounds, too.

Supps look fine, though personally I think pyruvate is a waste of cash.

How many calories are you planning on consuming???? With 200g protein and 150 carb, that is only about 1400 calories. You might want to up that to a solid 2000. On less than 2000 cals and DNP I couldn't do ANYTHING in the gym.

good luck, and don't be suprised if your pee starts and sweat start to smell like wood.

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posted September 19, 2000 11:18 PM

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Man, I'm just a stupid newbie on this board, but isn't DNP kind of hard core when you are at 20%+ BF!

DNP is some serious stuff. If you were at 8-10% BF at were trying to get seriously cut I could see using DNP.

At 20% you can probably make progress with diet (not to high on carbs, lots of small meals) and cardio (especially a.m. cardio when blood sugar is low). Be patient and your gains (or in this case losses) will be more lasting.

But if you are going to do it, get the right info at don't cook your brain. Good luck.


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you have to up the dosage bro! Start with 600mg/day for like 2-3 days then drop it to 400mg/day for another 7-10.
And for whoever asked, DNP affects the michtochondrial membrane, long story. Mail me if your curious.


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To me, it appears as though you've thought this out for a while and have a good/consistent plan of attack...I agree with starting lower, seein' your reactions, since DNP can be some very harsh sh*t! Good luck bro, stay COOL...

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I agree with Puc & Bigrand on upping the dosages.

I have done 2 successful cycles, #3 coming up in about 2-3 weeks. I started low at 200mg and felt nothing. I dudn't feel anything until 600mg/day

Information is your best tool - get Animals DNP guide & goto QFAC.com & read the Danarchy articles, also good article at mesomorphosis.com & use the search engine to read previous posts

Start low but be ready to up the dosage, consider melatonin or GBL if you can't sleep. Insomnia was my biggest problem

also up your carbs, DNP can cause hypoglycemia so don't use a keto diet. If you get dizzy or blurry vision take some simple carbs

Later!



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scooter,
i am a fat man in a skinny man's world. lol. nah bro you see i actually have lost appx. 25 lbs and 3 inches on my waist in the last 5 months and have kept my strength up. but there comes a time when you hit a plateau and want to shock your body with new ways of ridding the fat. believe me buddy, if it is about loosing weight naturally, then i know of it personally. please do not think i am saying i know everything about it, just that i have tried every diet, aerobics plan, etc. and they ALL work!! just looking for a different technique to keep the progress coming. besides, i believe waaaaaaaaay too many guys around here believe that no drugs should be touched unless you are 10% bf or lower. that is ludicrous. in any case, why would it make a difference if you are high bf and use dnp as compared to low bf? this is not testosterone where insuline resistance, etc. are a factor. seems to me the higher bf person would just be more successful percentage wise with dnp. anyway, thanks for the comments guys and i am considering bumping up the dosage but if i fry i will hold you all legally liable! just kidding. )
peace bros and keep em coming. great replies so far!
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u should up youer dnp ,i didnt liked it under 7 mg per kg. and mybe even higher on the vitamine c. (i was told u spose to take the nac with some 500mg of ascorbic acid , that is unnatural vitamine c)

also higher vitamine e.

i got rush from swetting so look for signs of it and stop it when it start.


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MSG,

The reason people don't suggest using DNP while over 20% bf is because DNP deposits in fatty tissue and can therefore exhibit its effects more gradually and for longer periods of time. This is not really a problem as long as you take longer off periods in between DNP cycles. I have done quite a few DNP cycles and I can definately attest to the fact that it can build up in your system and cause side effects lasting 3 or 4 weeks beyond cessation of the cycle.

I would like to make a couple of points about your proposed cycle. I would add in glycerol and taurine to aid in hydration. Also using that much alpha lipoic acid could force your blood sugar levels down dramatically and in conjunction with the DNP cause a bad state of hypoglycemia. As far as the dosages go, I always say to do more cardio and eat less instead of dramatically increasing the DNP dosages. Having said that, I have had better luck starting out high for the first two days and then dropping the dose down for the rest of the cycle. Starting at 600mg and then dropping down to 400mg seems to do well. Remember that when you take DNP every 24 hours, the last dose is still active in your system so it will build up in your body. This is especially true when you have high bodyfat. I beleive that the half life of DNP is far greater than 36 hours but most people feel like the effects are deminishing after 36 hours, thus they say that is its half-life. More is not necessarily better so don't go with the insano dosages. DNP is not like anything you have tried before so you can't treat it like tylenol or roids, but you look like you already know that. Good luck and stay hydrated!!!!

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msg,

I know where you are coming from. DNP just seemed like a big jump. There are other drugs which are not quite so extreme.

But then again losing 10# of fat in 11 days without losing muscle mass is hard to do without a knife (or something like DNP.)

Best of luck.


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i must say that you guys are some of the most knowledgeable buffs around! great info here buds. i will take all of these comments into consideration and post the final cycle a little later this morning.
peace,
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one more bump before i post the final edited version.
thanks again fellas,
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msg,
If you have any specific questions, mail me. I have done a few cycles and to tell you the truth, there were fuckin easy. The shit worked great and i can actually say i felt ok for the majority of the time, except i got uncomfortable holding a fuckin fan all night. It isnt as bad as people make it out to be. All the supplements made it easier, especially the glycerol cuz i was able to get by drinking a gal or less of water a day.


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ok guys, here is the final version before i start tomorrow moring.

(the changes since the first version are hyphenated)

Stats: Weight = 246 lbs, height = 5'11", bf% = somewhere >20%

Goal: My goal is to lose approximately 10 lbs of bf without losing muscle mass by day 11.

General: First ever DNP cycle. The dnp phase of this cycle will last only 7 days. -----ALL 7 days will consist of 600mg dnp taken at 200mg at 7am, 12pm, and 7pm.

----For seven straight days after the last day of dnp ingestion, I will consume 50mcg of t3 in the morning at 7am.-----

Supplementation: Supplementation will include the following on each of the dnp days:

7am: 1 adipokinetics, 300mg alpha-lipoic acid, 1500mg pyruvate, 800mg magnesium, 500iu NAC, 400iu vitamin E, 1000mg vit C, 1 multi vit, and 1 vit D. ----+ 1tblsp glycerol-----

12pm: 37.5 mg phentermine, 1000mg calcium, 500iu NAC, and 400iu vit E. ----+ 1tblsp glycerol-----

3pm: 300mg alpha-lipoic acid, 1500mg pyruvate, 800mg magnesium, 500iu NAC, 400iu vitamin E, 1000mg vit C, 1 multi vit, and 1 vit D.

7pm: 200-400mg dnp and 1000mg calcium ----+ 1tblsp glycerol----- + 6mg melatonin-----

Cardio: I will cycle for 45 minutes ed in the morning.

Strength: I will be doing fairly light weights to accomplish at least 13-15 reps per exercise. I will only be doing 12 sets maximum and I will be doing 2-3 bodyparts per weight day. Rest period between sets will be 90 seconds.

Nutrition: Calories will come mostly from protein at appx. 200g / day. Carbohydrates will be constant around 100g - 150mg / day. ------Total calories will be appx 1500 - 2000 / day.------- Water intake will be a minimum of 2 gallons / day.

Other: Fans will be on HIGH! Bedding will be an old sheet and pillowcase that I will wash DAILY. Clothing will be light in color -----when at home, but will be dark with an undershirt while at work-------. Deoderant will be HEAVY!

OK, guys. Tomorrow morning is DAY 1!!! I greatly appreciate the very informative responses as usual and will keep you guys posted on the results provided I am still here to type. i will also email a few of you if i feel i need some more great advice!

Peace, msg

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Keep us posted (nut case)


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posted September 20, 2000 10:32 PM

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bump for MSG

have fun with it bro!!!!

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taking certain supplements is news to me, what ones are necessary to accompany dnp--besides glycerol and taurine, sorry for such a dumb ques. or is there a certain site that stresses the importance of what to take w/ dnp? appreciate it fellas--good luck msg-and dose wise better safe than sorry if you dont know what the ocean holds beneath.

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Bro check you vit c doses again!
If you start to cramp remember the taurine.
And this is very important. if you start to go hypo eat more carbs. it will be OK.
I was taking DNP with INSULIN at first,big mistake.
Even with DNP alone I would go hypo at times.....SAMM
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i know search, search, search---am i the only asshole that cant get anything useful from search, am i typing the wrong thing in or what?

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got it bros. thanks a lot for the great tips!

roidranger,
here is some reading for ya but master it buddy:

Date: August 02, 2000 06:44 PM
Author: brandon walsh ([email protected])
Subject: Here is another one for all of you.


DNP 2,4-Dinitrophenol By: Brandon Walsh

DNP has been around since the turn of the century. Although not used as a diet aid or weight loss supplement to begin with, it was eventually found to be a very effective weight loss drug. It is an industrial chemical first being used to ignite TNT in the 1900's. It has also been used as a bug pesticide (melting the bug from the inside out), fabric dye and then a Stanford University study showed that it caused significant weight loss and has been used for that purpose since the 1930's. Hitler used it in the concentration camps during World War 2 to keep prisoners warm during the winter without the need for heating the buildings. DNP is a mitochondrial uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation, boosting the metabolism up to 50% by inhibition of the FOF1 ATP synthesis molecule located in the inner wall of mitochondria. As a result, ATP production is dramatically reduced and the energy is turned into heat. A 30- 50% increase in metabolic rate makes this the "mother" of all fat burners. Compared to other thermogenic compounds such as ephedrine/aspirin/caffeine (ECA) which has a boost of about 3% and clenbuterol /cytomel which has a boost of about 10%. Unlike clen/t3 and ECA, DNP won't boost body temperature to the same degree. DNP will only cause an increase of 1-1.5 degree Celsius. DNP competes with the thyroid for carrier proteins. Even though Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (STH) and free thyroid levels maybe normal, they are being excreted instead of being used. To extend the length of a DNP cycle, T3 could be added, but most people don't absorb T3 very well, which causes levels of T3 to become way too high. Therefore, it is ill advised and not recommended. It is better to use it on a rotating 8-day cycle with a 7 day off period. During this 2 week period you will look best on the 14th day after the water being retained is dropped. T3 in the amount of 25-50 mcg per day during the off week will also help restore normal thyroid levels. The main problem with DNP use is the severity of side effects. Since there are no negative feedback loops to deal with possible overdose, there is no limit to how hot you can make your body. Death is a definite possibility if too much is used. The " more is better" rule does not pertain to this drug. Side effects include insomnia, yellow body fluids (urine, sweat, sperm etc.), muscle soreness (reps during workouts will need to be kept light with at least 15 reps), overheating, carcinogenesis, (although DNP has never been associated with cancer) discomfort, lethargy, sweating, carb cravings, stroke, kidney damage, brain damage, and DEATH. These are all very possible as the lethal dose is only four times that of the normal dose. This drug is not anorectic so you will be hungry on DNP. Ten percent of some users experience allergic reactions (hives, blisters, rashes etc.) and a .1% of users get cataracts. DNP users will also feel lethargic due to the glucose being transferred into the cells without the use of insulin. Dosages were put after the side effects because this is a chemical that is not forgiving and it is more important that everyone understands what the side effects are before trying to acquire DNP and use it. Doses range between 2-8mgs/kg of body weight, NOT lean body mass. It's best dosed at 200mgs/d for someone in an active type job (landscaper, construction worker etc.), 400-600mgs/d for most others and only 800mgs/d for the morbidly obese. Although doses at 1gm/d have been used they are not recommend. DNP has an accumulative affect due to its 36-hour half-life. When users don't feel their body temperature rise, DO NOT INCREASE DOSAGE. 30mg/kg are the lethal dose and are very possible if the dose is above 800mgs/d. Here are some ideas to try to help users deal with their DNP use. DNP is known to cause an increase of free radicals in the body. To try an combat this effect certain supplements can be used. Vitamin C: 3000mgs in d/d Vitamin E: 1200iu in d/d Magnesium: 1500mgs/d Dexatrim (or any appetite suppressant) Glycerol 3tbsp d/d/d HCA

The glycerol will help keep the muscles hydrated; HCA should help with some of the carb cravings that most users experience and Dexatrim would help in aiding to curb the appetite. The extreme heat that your body will be throwing off will make sleeping quite uncomfortable. A fan aimed at the head and a light bed sheet changed frequently will help with sleeping. As for what type of diet should be followed while on DNP, the more carbohydrates that you eat the hotter that you will feel. Carbohydrates are oxidative, meaning that they will make you feel hotter to begin with, add to that the DNP and you will make it almost unbearable. DNP is purchased through chemical distribution companies. If you were to purchase some by ordering from a company, it needs to be dried before it is capped. It is packed wet to keep it stable during transport. 2 pairs of rubber gloves are needed (you will still get yellow fingers with 1 pair so spring for the extra pair cheapskate), a fume mask, and if possible dry it outside so you don't dye all the furniture in the house bright yellow. Size "0" caps can be purchased from a supplement store (GNC) and a capping device (Cap-M-Quik) and a very ACCURATE scale (down to 1g).


The first guru, Dan Duchaine, used a 3-beam scale that is used for making your own bullets and can be purchased at any guns�n-ammo supply shop. Here is the formula for making 3 of the most common sized capsules, since any dose greater than 300mgs should be split into smaller doses there is no need for a bigger capsule.

- 10 grams of DNP / 15 grams of cornstarch = 50 caps of 200mgs each cap - 12.5 grams DNP / 12.5 grams of cornstarch = 50 caps of 250mgs each cap - 15 grams of DNP / 10 grams of cornstarch = 50 caps of 300mgs each cap

Prices can vary between 20$ for 500 grams all the way to .75$ - 1.00$ per cap on the black market. The question is whether or not you trust someone else to package the capsules correctly, or if you feel safer making them your self. This chemical can make weight loss much easier, although this is not to be mistaken for eating like a pig for an entire winter with the idea that you can always take DNP in the spring. Nothing should ever replace proper diet and nutrition; DNP is best used for that last 10 lbs, not the first 40 lbs. DNP should be your last resort after you have already dieted, used other thermogenics and aren't ready for liposuction. Here are some of the most common asked questions about the use of DNP. 1.What is the best way to cycle DNP? - I feel that the best way to cycle DNP is a 7 day on 7 day off cycle. Where in the off week you use 50-75mcg of t3 and 100mcg of clen to help keep thyroid levels stable while the thyroid proteins become active again. This cycle could be repeated for 6 weeks before I would take a full week off from everything. 2.Should I use t3/clen while using DNP? - Not during the week of DNP use. DNP competes with thyroid proteins, so even if you were taking t3 it would be wasted out through the body in the urine. That is why I suggest using it in the off week. This way the thyroid is still working at optimum levels and the t3 does not need to be increased to hazardous levels. 3.I don't feel as hot as everyone says that I should, can I increase the dose? - No! You should not increase the dose. DNP needs a full 3 days before you feel the entire effect in your body. If you take to much right now and you become very hot you would have to deal with this for another 3 days. If after 3 days you feel that you could handle another dose, then you would add an extra 200mgs/d.

4. What type of diet should I follow while on DNP? - Because carbohydrates oxidize much higher then fats or protein, the more carbs that you eat the hotter you will feel. It is like throwing food on a fire, it's only going to get hotter. So I recommend that you follow a 30/30/30 isocaloric type diet. Where all the nutrient files are the same. This way you will have enough carbs for energy but not so many that you are burning up. I do not recommend a ketogenic diet; you will be too sluggish to do anything. 5. How much water should I be drinking while taking DNP? - I would suggest that you drink a minimum of 120oz. Of WATER. Water means water, not soda, kool aid, ice tea, diet soda, crystal lite. WATER! 6. What do I do if I get a rash? - Some user will mind that they have an allergic reaction to the DNP. You should use Benadryl if you develop a rash. If you have an other type of reaction, a feeling of a closing of the throat, etc. then you should discontinue its use. Although these type of reactions only happen in about 10% of all users it should be considered. For any further questions please feel free to email me at: [email protected]

Copyright 1999 Brandon Walsh All rights reserved

Our chosen sport is nothing less than an absolute fascination to me. Some would dub my increased interest in this field as obsessive. I consider it an endeavor in the perpetuation intellectual health. My contention is that ignorance can be equated to blindness. Although infuriating, ignorance is no impediment towards success. It, like the inability to see can be overcome, if the desire is present.
As bodybuilders, weight lifters, competitive athletes, and intellectuals none of us can function as human beings without the chemical processes of the body. But, what in the hell is this process of �oxidative phosphorylation� (OP)? What exactly are �uncouplers� and how do we lose weight from �thermogenic � compounds?

Most of you who know me are aware that I am a stickler for simplicity, my lack of formal training within the field of chemistry, biochemistry, and endocrinology forces me to seek the simplest comprehensible answer. Lets tackle this process of OP and it�s exact implication to the bodybuilder.

Of foremost importance is to place this concept into perspective. OP is simply the term used to describe the formation of �Adenosine Triphosphate� as a result of transferring electrons to oxygen. Were dealing with the creation of �chemical energy�.

To further clarify this issue, I want you to think of our modern conception of the internal combustion engine. To this engine we now affix a drive shaft, axles, and tires. We now have energy in motion. This process is analogous to our own production of chemical energy within our system. Our Internal Combustion engine would be the mitochondria found within the cell. ATP�S presence at the cellular level is the fuel by which we realize our daily physical activity. Thus, our ability to train is realized.

Oxidative uncoupling is the process by which the formation of ATP can be inhibited. Let us fall back to our example of the engine. If we have the same engine suspended on a stand. Absent in this situation are the aforementioned parts needed for physical locomotion. Drive shaft, axles, and tires are not present. The agent by which energy is produced has not changed. The cellular engine (mitochondria) hasn�t changed, were still witnessing the creation and transference of energy we just no longer see it being done chemically. Instead, we see it the form of kinetic energy.

The energy that is produced is released in the form of heat. Since oxidative uncouplers increase heat production, they are sometimes referred to as �thermogenic agents�. Oxidative uncouplers such as DNP, MBEBP, Sodium Usinate, and Leptin all work in this fashion. To effectively impede the collection of cellular ATP, and in it�s stead release it in the form of heat.

This increased body temperature promotes an increased rate of lipolysis. In conjunction with time, this increased rate of lipolysis contributes to the rapid loss of adipos tissue bodybuilders realize in precontest training.

What have I left out? Please feel free to contribute more in depth information on this issue. Take note, that these products pose a significant danger to the unskilled user.
Therefore, I take little interest in their use. I am not about to ingest a chemical originally designed by the French to be used as a primary ingredient in explosive material. This however, doesn't detract from these agent's fasinating properties. Ohh, as a side note, science first became aware of DNP and its effects in the early 19th century when French munition workers first became exposed to it within the confines of their munition factory's, but I digress.
This is why research on leptin, the "obesity gene" has been so promising. I believe in the next 4-5 years science will have answered some of the vexing questions about Leptin resistance and its application as perhaps the safest oxidative uncoupler of them all. I�ll post information on this, as I find it.


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DNP
2,4-Dinitrophenol
By: Brandon Walsh


DNP has been around since the turn of the century. Although not used as a diet aid or weight loss supplement to begin with, it was eventually found to be a very effective weight loss drug. It is an industrial chemical first being used to ignite TNT in the 1900�s. It has also been used as a bug pesticide (melting the bug from the inside out), fabric dye and then a Stanford University study showed that it caused significant weight loss and has been used for that purpose since the 1930�s. Hitler used it in the concentration camps during World War 2 to keep prisoners warm during the winter without the need for heating the buildings.
DNP is a mitochondrial uncoupler of oxidative phosphorylation, boosting the metabolism up to 50% by inhibition of the FOF1 ATP synthesis molecule located in the inner wall of mitochondria. As a result, ATP production is dramatically reduced and the energy is turned into heat. A 30- 50% increase in metabolic rate makes this the �mother� of all fat burners. Compared to other thermogenic compounds such as ephedrine/aspirin/caffeine (ECA) which has a boost of about 3% and clenbuterol /cytomel which has a boost of about 10%. Unlike clen/t3 and ECA, DNP won�t boost body temperature to the same degree. DNP will only cause an increase of 1-1.5 degree Celsius. DNP competes with the thyroid for carrier proteins. Even though Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (STH) and free thyroid levels maybe normal, they are being excreted instead of being used. To extend the length of a DNP cycle, T3 could be added, but most people don�t absorb T3 very well, which causes levels of T3 to become way too high. Therefore, it is ill advised and not recommended. It is better to use it on a rotating 8-day cycle with a 7 day off period. During this 2 week period you will look best on the 14th day after the water being retained is dropped. T3 in the amount of 25-50 mcg per day during the off week will also help restore normal thyroid levels.
The main problem with DNP use is the severity of side effects. Since there are no negative feedback loops to deal with possible overdose, there is no limit to how hot you can make your body. Death is a definite possibility if too much is used. The � more is better� rule does not pertain to this drug. Side effects include insomnia, yellow body fluids (urine, sweat, sperm etc.), muscle soreness (reps during workouts will need to be kept light with at least 15 reps), overheating, carcinogenesis, (although DNP has never been associated with cancer) discomfort, lethargy, sweating, carb cravings, stroke, kidney damage, brain damage, and DEATH. These are all very possible as the lethal dose is only four times that of the normal dose.
This drug is not anorectic so you will be hungry on DNP. Ten percent of some users experience allergic reactions (hives, blisters, rashes etc.) and a .1% of users get cataracts. DNP users will also feel lethargic due to the glucose being transferred into the cells without the use of insulin.
Dosages were put after the side effects because this is a chemical that is not forgiving and it is more important that everyone understands what the side effects are before trying to acquire DNP and use it. Doses range between 2-8mgs/kg of body weight, NOT lean body mass. It�s best dosed at 200mgs/d for someone in an active type job (landscaper, construction worker etc.), 400-600mgs/d for most others and only 800mgs/d for the morbidly obese. Although doses at 1gm/d have been used they are not recommend. DNP has an accumulative affect due to its 36-hour half-life. When users don�t feel their body temperature rise, DO NOT INCREASE DOSAGE. 30mg/kg are the lethal dose and are very possible if the dose is above 800mgs/d. Here are some ideas to try to help users deal with their DNP use. DNP is known to cause an increase of free radicals in the body. To try an combat this effect certain supplements can be used.

Vitamin C: 3000mgs in d/d
Vitamin E: 1200iu in d/d
Magnesium: 1500mgs/d
Dexatrim (or any appetite suppressant)
Glycerol 3tbsp d/d/d
HCA

The glycerol will help keep the muscles hydrated; HCA should help with some of the carb cravings that most users experience and Dexatrim would help in aiding to curb the appetite. The extreme heat that your body will be throwing off will make sleeping quite uncomfortable. A fan aimed at the head and a light bed sheet changed frequently will help with sleeping. As for what type of diet should be followed while on DNP, the more carbohydrates that you eat the hotter that you will feel. Carbohydrates are oxidative, meaning that they will make you feel hotter to begin with, add to that the DNP and you will make it almost unbearable.
DNP is purchased through chemical distribution companies. If you were to purchase some by ordering from a company, it needs to be dried before it is capped. It is packed wet to keep it stable during transport. 2 pairs of rubber gloves are needed (you will still get yellow fingers with 1 pair so spring for the extra pair cheapskate), a fume mask, and if possible dry it outside so you don�t dye all the furniture in the house bright yellow. Size �0� caps can be purchased from a supplement store (GNC) and a capping device (Cap-M-Quik) and a very ACCURATE scale (down to 1g).


The first guru, Dan Duchaine, used a 3-beam scale that is used for making your own bullets and can be purchased at any guns�n-ammo supply shop. Here is the formula for making 3 of the most common sized capsules, since any dose greater than 300mgs should be split into smaller doses there is no need for a bigger capsule.

- 10 grams of DNP / 15 grams of cornstarch =
50 caps of 200mgs each cap
- 12.5 grams DNP / 12.5 grams of cornstarch =
50 caps of 250mgs each cap
- 15 grams of DNP / 10 grams of cornstarch =
50 caps of 300mgs each cap

Prices can vary between 20$ for 500 grams all the way to .75$ - 1.00$ per cap on the black market. The question is whether or not you trust someone else to package the capsules correctly, or if you feel safer making them your self.
This chemical can make weight loss much easier, although this is not to be mistaken for eating like a pig for an entire winter with the idea that you can always take DNP in the spring. Nothing should ever replace proper diet and nutrition; DNP is best used for that last 10 lbs, not the first 40 lbs. DNP should be your last resort after you have already dieted, used other thermogenics and aren�t ready for liposuction.
Here are some of the most common asked questions about the use of DNP.
1.What is the best way to cycle DNP?
- I feel that the best way to cycle DNP is a 7 day on 7 day off cycle. Where in the off week you use 50-75mcg of t3 and 100mcg of clen to help keep thyroid levels stable while the thyroid proteins become active again. This cycle could be repeated for 6 weeks before I would take a full week off from everything.
2.Should I use t3/clen while using DNP?
- Not during the week of DNP use. DNP competes with thyroid proteins, so even if you were taking t3 it would be wasted out through the body in the urine. That is why I suggest using it in the off week. This way the thyroid is still working at optimum levels and the t3 does not need to be increased to hazardous levels.
3.I don�t feel as hot as everyone says that I should, can I increase the dose?
- No! You should not increase the dose. DNP needs a full 3 days before you feel the entire effect in your body. If you take to much right now and you become very hot you would have to deal with this for another 3 days. If after 3 days you feel that you could handle another dose, then you would add an extra 200mgs/d.

4. What type of diet should I follow while on DNP?
- Because carbohydrates oxidize much higher then fats or protein, the more carbs that you eat the hotter you will feel. It is like throwing food on a fire, it�s only going to get hotter. So I recommend that you follow a 30/30/30 isocaloric type diet. Where all the nutrient files are the same. This way you will have enough carbs for energy but not so many that you are burning up. I do not recommend a ketogenic diet; you will be too sluggish to do anything.
5. How much water should I be drinking while taking DNP?
- I would suggest that you drink a minimum of 120oz. Of WATER. Water means water, not soda, kool aid, ice tea, diet soda, crystal lite. WATER!
6. What do I do if I get a rash?
- Some user will mind that they have an allergic reaction to the DNP. You should use Benadryl if you develop a rash. If you have an other type of reaction, a feeling of a closing of the throat, etc. then you should discontinue its use. Although these type of reactions only happen in about 10% of all users it should be considered.
For any further questions please feel free to email me at:
[email protected]

�The DNP Diaries�
By: Sldgehmr & Dogpound

We decided to do these diaries in hopes of helping out some new and maybe some old users of DNP. They are from my personal experiences with it along with a few of my clients and Dogpounds cycle with it.
As some of you may know I have been using the compound DNP for quite awhile now, almost 2 years. In the beginning I only used it on myself until I felt comfortable enough with its use that I could start letting some of my very close friends use it to see if I could reproduce the same results that myself and Dan Duchaine had gotten.
Client 1: (myself) I have used over 35 cycles of DNP. From doses of 200mgs/d all the way up to 1200mgs/d. I feel that there is no need for such doses, but I needed to make sure. Since I have done so many cycles we will just use my last cycle for this paper. I did a 7-day cycle of 800mgs/d; I lost a total of 9lbs.
Day 1. Usually I don�t feel anything within the first 36 hours, maybe only slightly warm. I start taking the VitC and get ready for the sweating. I am one of those body types where everything (other then anti inflams) works very well at low doses.
Day3. Now I feel it, I take 2 caps in the a.m. as soon as I get out of bed and the other 2 right before I go to sleep. If you take them right before bed it will help you fall asleep better, if you take more then 2 caps you will definitely wake in the middle of the night and need water. I am drinking about 2 gallons of water a day, but I am still thirsty so that means it�s time for the glycerol.
Day4. Inbetween the meals you will feel the onset of low blood sugar, shaking hands cold hands, tired, sluggish, etc. What you need is food, or sugar. I like Granny Smith apples but whatever works for you.
Day6. Now it is in full swing, my workouts suck. I can do about 2 exercises for 3 sets of 12 reps. the whole session lasts about 35 mins. I do use the bike, but the sweat pours right off me so I only need 15 mins. My sight is getting a little blurry at night so I need to up the dose of VitC.
Day7. This is it, the last day, I am tired, hot and I need to do a real workout. Start the T3 in the mourning to get the thyroid up as quickly as possible.

Client 2: �JB� He is 23 years old, 312lbs and eats more then anyone I have ever seen in my life. His body type is Big and Round. Nothing seems to work well in him at any dose, that is what makes him such a good client, because I know how well I will do and then I can always count on him for the lowest end of the scale. We started him out at 600mgs/d and he didn�t feel anything for the first 5 days. Then he felt slightly warm when walking up stairs. So we ended that cycle and 7 days later started him out at 800mgs. (You must realize that he is almost 100lbs heavier then most people and he needs the extra amount, otherwise there is no need for it.)
Day3: He tells me he liked it better at 600, that this is really hot. But he doesn�t want to decrease the dose so we up his VitC to 5000mgs a day and he is living in the bathroom.
Day 4: He told me he went to the bathroom 3 times in an hour and half and that his girlfriend thinks the neon yellow sperm is pretty cool. But she doesn�t like the fact that when he gets his fat ass motivated enough to have sex he is sweating all over the place.
Day6: He is dragging big time, So we up the glycerol to 4 tbsp a day and add 6 iu of GH to get the insulin t o last a little longer in his body.
Day12: JB lost 13 lbs, in 3 days. He went to the bathroom every hour on the hour for the first day and said he lost almost a lb. each time.
Side Note: JB is an extreme case, not everyone is this fat and lazy, nor should DNP ever be substituted for a clean diet. But, it is also nice after dieting for 8 week straight to be able to eat normal again and not gain any fat. Plus some of use put on too much weight when we use insulin, with DNP, that won�t happen.

Brandon Walsh / Sldgehmr Designer Labs President / CEO

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MonsterQuest

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Give us a play by play on how it goes. Good Luck.

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Id stay away from the T3 until DNP is out of your system. Muscle catabolism goes way up when used together.


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Best of luck bro, keep us posted...this was a great thread...this really is the best board on the 'net!!

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