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 Over 100gms of Protein and nearly 2000 Kcals in one meal!!
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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2 hard taco supremes, 2 soft taco supremes, 2 burritos supremes, and one 7 layer burrito. Ya gotta love bulking cycles-    | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 120 |
i dont know if that much protein at one time can be productively used by the body..but hey get two double woppers with cheese at Burger king and get 2020 calories and 110 protein....along with 70 fat grams and 1500mgs of sodium...if you are someone like me i can do that all day everyday and still have my abs ripped..i guess i am lucky in that fact. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 476 |
Shit, I pigged out all day Sunday. I ahd a coupon for KFC where I got 15 pieces of chicken for $9. I ate it off and on for about 2 hours while I watched football and my belly gradually expand. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Well over 100 gr of protein in one meal, you lost over 60 gr, since your body can only take about 40 gr at a time. ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 375 |
hey jeff rys wheres your proof that HIS body can utilze 40gms at a time because i sure as hell know 40gms aint shit for me...(no pun intended) | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 79 |
First, MR.T, good lord how much do you spend on food each day. I haven't eaten like that in 2-3 years. I guess your right, ya gotta love those bulking cycles. But Jeff_Rys, where did you get the info. that you can only use 40 g of protein. I think that that is wrong, especially when your saucin'. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. Why would protein supplement companies make their protein shakes with 45-60 grams of protein per shake if your not going to use. If I'm wrong, please let me know with facts. | ||
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Moderator 
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Jeff that whole 30-40 gms of protein per meal thing, is just a useless myth. Can you show us any scientific proof supporting your statement??? ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 696 |
Do a search in any medical journal (the American Journal of Physiology, Journal of Applied Physiology, Journal of General Physiology, Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), etc.) and you'll find numerous articles on protein metabolism. The general consensus is that the body cannot metabolize more than 35 to 40 grams of protein per meal. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 322 |
whatever. i'm sure my 85 lb great aunt can digest the same amount of protein as Greg Kovacs. this 35-40g shit may be true for the average out of shape joe, but not us. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 253 |
Turning into an interesting thread. Bump.. More comments on protein digestion. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 696 |
Actually, Greg Kovacs and your aunt probably do metabolize the about same amount of protein at a meal (though there is a difference in the sexes, but we'll ignore that for now). The difference is that your aunt or some lazy joe does not have the same metabolic SPEED that the athlete or weightlifter has, therefore more protein is needed throughout the day to maintain, or increase, the body weight. This is the main reason that we eat five to seven (or more!) times a day, unlike the sendentary individual who may eat (not including the crap food in front of the TV) maybe two or three times a day. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
I believe you are talking about 30 to 40 grams of protein per hour. And on a normal bulk diet the average person consumes a meal every three hours or so, yes. So one could consume considerably more than 30 to 40 grams in one meal. Also, add the fact that much of the juice that one puts into his/her body aids in protein synthesis. So protein consumption could be even higher. Yes.. Myself, It is nothing for me to consume 110 or more grams or protein in one meal. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 519 |
My $.02 The way I see it, if research is done and proves that the body can only absorb 50g of protein at a time, and I've been eating 60g, then I've wasted 10g. Big deal. But others that have been only taking in 40g could have been taking in 10g more. I'd rather waste a little to make sure I'm getting all I can out of it. Understand my point? ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
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30-45 gms seems reasonable. 100gms doesnt. protein takes a long time to digest as does fats, if you keep on pushing food down your gi tract will keep moving. want to know why your ass is blowing up? its called putrefecation. the degredation of unused protein in your feces in the large intestine. hmmmm...could that be where all that shake is going? why oh why would they ever sell a shake that has 45-60 gms? the benevolent supplement companies, they would never steer us wrong. riiight. its called marketing. if someone thinks that they need something, they will buy it. its a numbers game, " we have the most per serving etc etc etc". smaller well spaced meals will not only serve to allow you to eat more but will also hype your metabolism as well. most will follow along and say that more is better, and individuals vary. human physiology doesnt vary that much, so to each his own. p.s. no need to cite case studies or specific examples. a good understanding of human physiology is all you need. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
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Normally I can't take that kind of protein with out my ass exploding. But on my last EQ cycle, I was downing two Myoplexes a day fortified with a couple of scoops of Designer Protein. Plus eating full meals daily and my shit was fine. As soon as the gear was out of my system, I was shitting water again!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 533 |
Good post Bignate! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
boys, I'm disagreeing with many of you on this one. 100grams my be too much to consume in every meal, but are you telling me it isn't a good idea before bed while bulking? I make a point to stuff my face before bed with tons of protein, it make me full and hard in the mornings. Plus, when you sleep is when your hormones go nuts, and I'm natural thus far so I have to make sure I have my nutrients before I go to sleep. Good Posts accross the board, but I don't agree with the forty gram thing, my personal experiance tells me it's not true. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Great post!  A lot of good and interesting opinions. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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Thick dawg.... I've thrown down that KFC meal before with a coupon....there is nothing like it when you are in the mood for some hardcore fried food!! DJ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1500 |
finallygotlayed.... you are talking about bulking AND taking strictly protein before bed. are you talking about solid food or supplements? if you are taking protein powder, it is normally suggested to take in an isolate(fast absorbing) as well as a caseinate(slower absorbing) to spread out the flow of protein into your body. if you are drinking say...an isopure (primarily isolate), you are going to absorb that protein in a matter of 2 hours and the rest of the six or so hours following you will be getting nothing. if its solid food you are taking in, you may be able to get away with it if you arent taking in carbs too. since you will be sedentary for the next 8 hours, you require much less energy so your body will not use the protein as readily for an energy source. ie easier to keep a more positive nitrogen balance with the right food combinations. either way, you will be in deficit when you wake up so "refueling" is in order with your first 2 meals of the day...and so on and so forth, the cycle continues. hehe. just my thoughts on it. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
Good point Bignate, very good point. I actually don't watch the carbs too much before bed, probably should. I have however taken into consideration the length of digestion for different types of proteins. I do drink a 40g shake along with some type of meat product. Steak works especially well for me, I don't kow why, but it builds me up better than chicken or tuna for some reason. Probably because it contains creatine. The shake is also mixed in milk for the caesin protein. As a natural BB, for now anyway, I have to use every trick I can find, and lots o protein before bed helps me a lot. good post on your part though ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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Ok, so thats alot of calories and alot of protein, but how clean do you consider a meal like that to be. I understand your trying to bulk, but If I ate like that every meal wile I'm on a cyle, I'd just get super fat. I have keep my fats relatively low to not look obese. | ||
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Novice 
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finallygotlayed does have a point. When you sleep is the time where your body does most of the repairing of tissue. It makes sense to go to bed with positive nitrogen balance to help that process. Of course, I, too, am trying to justify my stuffing my face with protein before bed. If you say that taking protein before you sleep is very effective, then what about taking amino acids? Very interesting discussion. More info please. AY | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 59 |
OH I JUST WANTED TO THROW IN THIS LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION. WHEN I WAS AT A BODYBUILING SHOW THIS YEAR I WAS TALKING TO PRO BODYBUILDER AND I ASKED HOW MUCH HIM HOW MUCH PROTIEN HE TAKES AT EACH MEAL. HE REPLIED 90 GRAMS. IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE TO MUCH OF THAT PROTIEN WENT TO WASTE, SINCE HIS ARMS WERE AS BIG AS PEOPLES HEADS. I MEAN I KNOW THEY TAKE ALLOT OF A.S., BUT I THINK THE BIGGER YOU GET THE MORE PROTIEN YOU NEED. EAST_COAST_BB | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I think it should be obvious that we all have different metabolic rates. The 30-40 grams is just an AVERAGE of NORMALS. That means just your regular joe schmo off the street. If you did a comparison of people using gear I bet you would get a different result...You do know what a gaussian distribution is right? The infamous bell shaped curve? I believe bodybuilders would be in the top 10% of protein intake, metabolism, and digestion. This is opinion...maybe I should get a grant from Lilly or Organon to study it. Platinum | ||
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Cool Novice
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I used to consume between 70-100g of protein every meal thinking more is better and was told by a very sucessful bb. that I should cut this to 45g as I was wasting the extra. I tried this for a long time and found I lost size overall. I think there are too many variables to simply be able to calculate the appropriate ammount based on weight and bmr. Everybody has a different metabolic rate, mine being extremely fast. It can also depend upon the type of protein and its digestion time, factors such as gear and other products which can speed up protein synthesis or elevate it. I am a great believer in keeping a constant supply of aminos available and try to split my protein up as much as possible as well as getting it from different sources throughout the day. I currently aim for 60g per meal using faster predigested ones directly after training (by solgar) and slower ones such as steak b4 bed. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 732 |
All I know is, the more meat I eat whether fatty or not the bigger my muscles get. | ||
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Moderator
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quote: Hehe....the BK near me has a promotional deal on Whoppers and Original Chicken sandwiches- $.99 each. I've been getting my fair share of fat | ||
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Moderator
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Oh for Christ's sakes...just make 30g a meal the bottom line, and if you get more, then great...why take any chances...eat as much fucking protein as possible...make sure your fiber intake is up to par, and you will grow...BB isnt fucking rocket science. Later, ------------------  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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HAHAHA-Well put WCP. Dont sweat the small stuff guys- Oh yeah, I love BK too Mr. H. I like Wendy's a little better though. Believe it or not the chili their isnt to fatty. Gotta love those Jr. Bacon cheeseburgers too. Damn Im hungry- | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 453 |
if i take in over 50 gr of protien i take it like...... about 45 from a protien shake and whatever else fro ma solid form of protien. this way the shake gets absorbed quickly and the solid breaks down gradualy ove a longer period of time kinda like a time released protien. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 43 |
all my shakes are about 60-80 grams and i feel fine all day. this 30-40 gram thing is different for everyone. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 136 |
I have found that the usual 1.0-1.5 grams of protein is all I need. But, while on the juice (its been almost 3 years), my body was able to use more (obviously). But lets be real here, a BB who uses faster digesting proteins such as whey will definately be able to digest more protein in a shorter given time than a person eating beef or chicken, etc. Also, lets remember that most studies are done on non-BB people, and we all know that this "average" is increased with us all (at least with me it does). Another thing here is that depending on the time of day (before/after workout, mornings, nights) also effects digestion rates. I can consume up to 120 grams of protein after a bulking workout and have it all get put to good use. As a matter of fact, I usually eat 30-50% of my protein calories for the day for my post workout meal. Throughout the rest of the day, I just make sure I fulfill the 1.0 to 2.0 requirements. Also, if you are gonna overdue any macronutrient, it might as well be protein. Well, this was my 2 cents. Damn, I haven't posted on this board in like 3 years, that might have to change soon though. hehehe. | ||
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Cool Novice
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There is not a single study that proves how much protein can be utilized in a meal. The 30 - 40 gram rule has NEVER been shown by any study, anywhere. Will Brink once offered a reward to anyone finding any study that showed this. It is a theory only and therefore has not been proven or disproven. If anyone does know of such a study...please post the medline reference. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 110 |
I heard from a couple of nutritionists that the body can only process a certain amount of protein at a time. It may vary from person to person. I will try to find more info on this. | ||
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Cool Novice
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I knew this one would come up it always does i aim for 50g's of protein per meal and its working for me...! Any more than 50g's and i fart like a MOFO..! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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You must me Greg Kovacs. 100mg of protein in one meal=on smelly fart | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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no, i cannot prove that, but if you take more protein than your body can use at a given time, you are going to get f a t t y, right? ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Moderator
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I disagree with you gymratsd, who were the test subject in those studies, and would you like to name a few of them??? Simply put one can easily attain the ability to assimilate more than 40gms of protein per meal, by what chemical mechanism is this limit set??? Why does this claimed 40gm or whatever limit happen??? There is no proof that one can not assimilate more than 40gms of protein at one meal, and the ability to do so would make absolutely no sense at all. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 322 |
everyone also keep in mind the body has the ability to adapt to different diets. the more protein you eat, the more efficient your body will become at digesting protein. protein is also the macronutrient that causes the least amount of fat gain, PERIOD. it burns 25% of its calories during digestion (carbs are 10-15%, fats 3%). protein being stored as fat is much less likely than carbohydrate or fats. | ||
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Novice
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quote: I'd say No more than 80 gm of protein @ a serving any thing else your body cant use it. "Something my bodybuilding biology teacher told me in class." He likes to juice it up too!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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yes E2, but we are talking about 100 gr of protein every meal, not just one meal. Doing this day in day out and your body gets saturated and you will gain fat. I mean the average BB, not the extreme users. By the way, lately we have a lot of natural guys here, does this count for them too ? Because when on roids, sure your body can handle and needs more then average. But what with the no-roid users? ------------------ Don't look back, life is too short | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 77 |
At this point in time there is no way to prove whether this much protein can be used or not. Unless you are microscopic and are going to take a trip through a digestive system to study exactly how much is used. Plus, everyone is different so you would have to test everyone in the world and then get an average. Just eat as much protein as you can and quit worrying about it. ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 413 |
guys guys your all missing the point here.. it's not about how much protein to consume, it's why the hell would anyboy eat fuckin taco bell. that is the worst shit i ever experienced. run for the border my ass.. run for the toilet is more like it!!!!!! ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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I know most of us read muscle mags...FLEX, Ironman, M&F, etc. I have many back issues on hand and would be glad to flip through and site sources. In every magazine I've read, they say the human body cannot assimilate more than 50g of protein PER HOUR! Any more and it moves straight to the feces. I trust the magazines, because when it comes to protein powder, food and MRP's, I can't afford to waste!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
I have seen this "Flex" magazine. I believe the people at this magazine to be wrong when saying the body can only assimilate 50 or so grams of protein. I believe this is the same in which Greg Kovacs states he attribute his size to his Cell-teck stack. Yes, consuming too much protein I am sure one will gain some fat. But, it is much easier to loose fat than gain muscle. ~Goku~ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 136 |
It's not so much that the body cannot digest large amounts of protein from a single meal, it is more or less how long it takes for these meals to completely digest until you follow up with the next one. This is where the type/quality of each protein comes into play. In other words, If you consume 100gms. of whey, your body will digest it much quicker than say beef or chicken. And in my mind, eventually even the beef or chicken will also be digested with time. If you are looking for 100 grams of any protein to be digested in 15 minutes, then you are gonna be disappointed. Also, 100 grams after a workout will (especially whey) definately be used up faster than any other meal throughout the day. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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I bet you read "Muscle & Fiction" also. And Playboy for the articles. ------------------ "That Which Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger" "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." [This message has been edited by Curious II (edited September 20, 2000).] |
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posted September 18, 2000 01:04 PM
