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 No carb diet... dangerous?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 63 |
just wondering if zero carbs is dangerous??? I've never done this before, is there anything i should know????     | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 45 |
Yes, there is something you should know. God put carbs on this earth for a reason. To eat them. If you don't, you will eventually die. Chances are you are not going to die because it would be damn near impossible to never get any carbs. What would happen is you would stop functioning properly. You would be so groggy and lethargic that working out would be impossible. Your body would go into a carb starvation mode, so when you finally start eating carbs again (and believe me, you will) your body is going to try to hold on to every one available just in case this tradgedy ever happens again. This means weight gain my man. Lets see what else...oh, your body's most metabolic parts are muscles. Since you don't have any fuel now, and your muscles are the biggest gas hogs, your body is going to try to do away with these annoying little things. So now your groggy, lethargic, higher percentage of body fat, no muscles, no working out, and generally feeling pretty shitty. At least your not dead. Hope this helps! ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 126 |
YOUR FULL OF SHIT, YOU CAN DO A NO CARB DIET. AND RETAIN A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF YOUR MUSCLE. YOUR BODY TURNS TO FAT AS A MAIN FUEL SOURCE. BUT ONCE YOU COME OFF YOU WILL GAIN SOME WEIGHT. ALTHOUGH IF YOU DO IT RIGHT, YOU WONT GAIN MUCH...... ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
Explain exactly what part of what I just said is full of shit. ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
ive heard that being ona no carb diet too long can mess with your brain because it needs a few carbs to work. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
Yes, it is very bad. ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
Well, I have to go for now so I won't be here to defend myself against your lack of knowledge on this subject Warloc...but I will love to see where this one has gone when I get home tonight. ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 237 |
I will never do a low/no carb diet again. I felt like absolute shit at all times, this was expected. I was flat, ended up loosing too much muscle mass and was just discustingly weak. I looked far worse when I finished than when I started. When I started eating a more balanced diet again I gained 15 pounds imediately. My body held on to every carb it could get its hands on as to prevent this trauma from occuring again. To say the least I looked absolutely horrible in the end. All I got for this hellish from of a diet was a grand loss of 5 pounds of muscle. Yes I lost NO fat at all. I had it checked regularly. Now that I have readjusted and am consuming a more practical ratio of nutrients I am looing and feeling better. I am bilking now and since I started bulking my bodyfat has droped 3%. I have determined that I just function better with ample carbs. I loose weight and fat much easier and faster WITH carbs in my diet. I am not saying it is dangerous nor am I saying this is the case for everyone. It is a personal thing and this is my personal experience. For ME carbs are needed for fat loss/muscle preservation and a general good apearance. MY body didn't respond very kindly to a no carb diet. Please bear in mind this is just me, I speak for no one else on this situation. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 433 |
Well, a NO carb diet may be a bad idea, but a LOW carb diet is a very good one, and is probably the closest to the kind of diet which homo sapiens evolved to flourish on. Carbs have been grossly overrated in terms of dietary importance. Fact is, the increase in obesity over the broader course of human history is closely associated with the availability of increased carb sources through farming, rather than gathering. I believe that the best diet, especially for a bodybuiilder, is high in protein, moderate in fat, low in carbs. Bjaarki ------------------ BECOME SOMEONE'S HERO! | ||
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Novice 
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There is really no reason to stay on a zero carb diet, because without even realizing it you obtain some carbs. However the whole point of this diet is to put your body in a state of ketosis, and your will still maintain this state of ketosis if you can keep your carbs below 20grams p/day. This is a good way to lose weight, but i wouldnt stay on it for more than a month or two, cause it will mess u up a little, and u will eventually start breaking down your muscle too. An even better alternative is to lower your carbs, but when u do consume carbs make sure they are complex carbs like whole wheats and grains. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 36 |
im on a no carb diet (VERY VERY LOW CARB) but i have a carb-up day once a week. where i eat carbs all day. and im loosing fat and keeping/making muscle. also its no fat and on the carbup day i eat a little more fat | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 730 |
Omegga44 If you are eating NO CARBS AND NO FAT you are eating just protein. Realize that glucogenesis is happening and some of that protein you eat is getting converted to carbohydrate. If you are loosing weight, it is because you are eating less calories. Even if you eat the same ammount of food as you did before, protein results in a higher TEF(thermic effect of feeding). Your body takes more calories to digest protein than it dose carbohydrate. Therefore, you are getting less calories than before. later Puc ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 63 |
thanks guys.... i'm probably going to do a LOW CARB diet. I weigh 175 5ft10, and 15%bf, how much do you think i should be consuming??? and is a good complex carb oatmeal??? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 730 |
aky If you aim for zero, typically you will wind up with 20-40 grams a day, anyway. just about everything has SOME carbohydrate in it. If you ketosis is what you desire, you must limit your protein intake, as well. Otherwise, glucogenesis will keep you from ketosis. Maybe 1g/lb for protein or so. The rest of your food should be FAT (butter , cream, etc...) Good luck, I hate the keto diet, but it does work for some (though I theorize that this is mostly due to the dieter actually consuming fewer calories than before, and not the ketosis itself. Likely because when you eat smaller quantities of food because of the calorically-dense food you are eating, your stomach shrinks, and you get fuller faster) later Puc ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 875 |
WARLOCK "YOUR FULL OF SHIT" That's how you start a post? You do realize anything you say after that is lost because your credibilty is now shot. All anyone is going to remember about what you posted is that first sentence and the disrepect you've shown to a long time, valued member of this board. Do you see any other posts on this board that starts like yours does? WTF? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 126 |
CURIOUS II---WELL IT IS VERY HARD TO HIT ZERO CARBS. I SHOULD HAVE SAID LOW CARBS. (5 TO 20 A DAY) IM NOT SAYING THAT IT IS THE ONLY DIET OUT THERE ,AND IT DEFENETLY IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. BUT IT DOES WORK. ALOT OF THE WEIGHT THAT YOU GAIN BACK WHEN YOU START EATING CARBS AGAIN IS YOUR MUSCLES RETAINING WATER AND GLYCOGEN. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO KEEP A VERY CLEAN DIET. AS FAR AS BEING AN UNHELTHY DIET, WHY? YOU ARE LOSING BODY FAT AND RETAINING MUSCLE MASS. IN MY EXPERIENCE MY CHOLESTEROL LEVELS WERE BETER. BLOOD SUGAR WAS CONSTANTLY BETWEEN 70 AND 90. AND I WAS IN A STATE OF KETOSIS. I DID FEEL LIKE SHIT AT FIRST. IF YOU DO ONE CARB DAY PER WEEK YOU ACTUALLY LOOK BIGGER AND FULLER. ALSO THE CARB UP DAY RAISES YOUR METABOLISM. SO WHEN YOU GO BACK TO VERY LOW CARBS YOU ARE BURNING MORE CALORIES. THIS IS JUST MY TAKE ON THE LOW CARB DIET. I SHOULDNT HAVE SAID NO CARB BECAUSE THAT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. BESIDES IF YOU ARE ON A LITTLE DECA IT ALSO HELPS RETAIN MUSCLE MASS. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 126 |
ULTER----I DO APPOLOGIZE FOR STARTING OUT LIKE THAT. ITS JUST BEEN A VERY BAD DAY. BUT EXCUSES ARE LIKE ASSHOLES, EVERYONE HAS ONE AND THEY ALL STINK. I MEANT NO DISRESPECT..... ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
That is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt and did not flame you back. Everyone has bad days. There is nothing wrong with a carbohydrate restricted diet. Most people in this country obviously get way too many carbs. And yes, it is nearly if not impossible to get zero carbs. But, there are many people out there who actually believe that if you never eat another carb again that you will be better off and feel great too. There is too much of good thing and people can take things too extreme. Dr. Atkins basically wanted people to restrict their diets of carbs but as is the American way we thought "more is better". No offense taken, I'm in a good mood today. hehe ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 38 |
I am on the keto diet...have been for about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks now...good results, but I also do not crack easy when I set my mind to things. I started this for competition (not BB...triathalon)...lose that extra bf before a race. I am sure I will gain some back when I go off Keto...this is natural. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 63 |
well i've decided to do a low carb's diet.... today i consumed 40g of carbs... is that good or should i drop more???? a good website to keep track is dietwatch.com | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 21 |
I have to chime in on this one. My opinion/experience: We need carbs, especially people who are very ACTIVE such as us. The whole no carbs/very low carbs fad diets phenomenon is a reaction to the FAT AND LAZY society we live in. This country as a whole is inactive and lazy...therefore these low carb diets are one of the only effective ways to lose weight for most of our sedentary society. They can simply cut out carbs and drop 10-15 fast pounds without working out. For us (or at least I'm assuming that many of the guys in here are extremely active physically) - we need carbs to keep our energy high and be ready to work out each day. Now, I'm not saying go crazy with the Doritos or anything. My advice for very active guys like us is to not freak about carbs - go ahead and eat them. Just get them normally within your healthy diet, ditch the cookies and Doritos - but DON'T worry about the fact that your oatmeal has 29g carbs or the beef stew has 19g carbs. Just get rid of the excess crap - like the pretzels or the Oreos. Keep your protein high and fat at a moderate level and with hard work in the gym you will feel energetic and be getting plenty of nutrition to grow. From my experience, if I freak about carbs I: 1) have a hard time getting enough calories to grow This situation is very exaggerated when on a cycle, your body is working overtime to grow - remember that. DJ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 63 |
great info djdisel... but i wont hurt to keep carbs low and watch your carbs intake... not to be completly paronoid(sp???) about it, but i'm just keeping away from too many carbs.. an average day for me is about 100g of carbs, should i have 1 CARB day in the week?.?.?.? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 126 |
AKY---ONE CARB DAY A WEEK IS TOTALY UP TO YOU. YOU NEED TO SEE HOW YOUR BODY RESPONDS TO IT. BUT I WOULD SUGGEST KEEPING YOUR CARB DAY CLEAN.. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 48 |
My opinion is that it doesent matter how much carbs, prot or fat you are consuming. If you wanna loose weight, consume less calories, that�s a basic rule and it will work. But, if you wanna conserve you muscles and being healthy, train hard and eat enough prot-carb-fat. Every nutrient has its function. Buttom line: Lower you calorie intake, but eat all the basic nutrients. Bye | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 711 |
MY KETO DIET EXPIREMENT!!! I did a keto diet for 10 weeks. It was a tarketed keto. Meaning I consumed carbs only after training and no carb up... I went from 176lbs @ 13% bodyfat to 166 @ 5% bodyfat in those 10 weeks... That means that I gained 5lbs of lean mass while losing about 15lbs of fat. I wont lie I did use some drugs but laughable amounts. Week 1-5 250 mg Enant See these are ridiculous dosages... Also took the ECA + Yohimbe stack for the last 4 weeks... When I started eating carbs after, I gained about 3% bodyfat in 2 weeks. Sure you gain lots of fat back but it's great for contest dieting!!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 63 |
DREXX, how much cardio did you do in a week??? | ||
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Novice
Posts: 3 |
I remember Mrs. Texas Guns tried this and ran into some trouble, she had to go to the hospital. Don't remember exactly what happened, but she's hasn't been around for a long time. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 60 |
Aky,the most important thing is the cardio if you want to loss fat,I do it 2 times daily,morning with empty estomach and evening after workout,Keep low carb diet until 7  m then cero carb.------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 711 |
aky: On the keto diet i started with no cardio and increased on a weekly basis... Started at 2 times a week at 15min Basically adding 5min each week and when i got to 45min for the 2 days add a 3 day but less time 35min... and so on | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 220 |
Hell Yea its dangerous! Think about what your saying, no carbs, you need carbs in your diet. For those who want to lose weight the right way here it is: Eat 500 calories less a day, everyday. That way at the end of the week you ate 3500 calories less in a week which equals to 1lb. This is the way to loose weight and keep it off. 1lb a week. Yea I know most of you want to lose weight now! But if you want to lose weight and keep it off you have to put in some effort. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 55 |
Again, I am amazed at the fear of a low carb diet. If done properly the weight loss will be mostly fat and fairly permanent. When I diet I use no more than 50gms carbs a day more like around 20-30gms all before noon. The rest of the day my calories are from protein and fat. This diet can be done for at least 3 months. Combined with cardio and weight training the results are nothing less than phenominal. I have addressed this in previous posts about what happens in the body. Suffice it to say we are in an extreme sport and if you want to win you have to be extreme (within reason, nothing is worth your life) chesty ------------------ Ooooh Rahhh! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 711 |
Good Post Chesty! I really dont want to debate keto diets again... I have been defending them for like 2 years and tired of it... They work and they are safe... Read up on it and see why your body can adapt to no or low carbs | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 273 |
Omega what you are doing is a warped version of an anabolic diet. What you NEED to be doing is during the week eat high fat and high protein and then on your carb up days you should eat high carbs and very low protein and fat. You either typed that wrong or you need to change it around. | ||
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Moderator 
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I wouldn't say a ketogenic diet is dangerous, as there are kids with epilepsy that go into deep ketosis for years to help control their symptoms with no bad side effects. However it is not a fun diet, and the first time you are in ketosis you feel like death warmed over, you do get use to it over time. You certainly can't work out the way you usualy do in ketosis, and you must take care not to injure your muscles too much as for me recovery was slower while in ketosis. I was on a cyclic ketogenic diet for a while, with good results, however the only reason I quit the diet was due to the fact that I had trouble with keeping properly hydrated during a race, and in 110 degree Texas heat that was dangerous.  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 344 |
Very Simple carbs are energy and you need energy! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 604 |
Yep! And if you are using carbs for energy then your not using fat for energy. Hence the low carb approach. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 273 |
No carbs is dangerous. A diet like the anabolic diet works great but everyone feels very sluggish on it. It is just something you have got to get used to and accept. Make a choice, do you want to get ripped or have lots of energy? Usually you can't do both. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
Actually when your carbs are depleted you begin to burn fat. You do not have an endless supply of carbs. You can eat carbs and still lose weight. ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 57 |
Eskimos live their entire lives eating nothing but fat and protein. Granted many are fat bastards (very high fat % in diet) however, they do live to an old age on average and are the only people who do not get cavities in their teeth due to the sugars in carbs. I have tried a low/zero card diet and yes it is effective, you have to wait until your stomach enzymes change over to better extract the energy from the fats and proteins. This takes a week or so, after this you start to feel much better and energy levels increase as well. However, I do feel more balanced and powerful with carbs in my diet. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 220 |
Here we go again another controvertial topic. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 273 |
Don't ya' just love 'em roadruler!! | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 45 |
What exactly do your stomach enzymes change too...magic enzymes. I agree with some if not most of everything these people are saying, but I've never heard of these magic chameleon enzymes...enlighten me. ------------------ "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." | ||
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Cool Novice
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fuck those ultra low carb diets,theyre so fucking over rated.everyone says eat low carbs and youll be ripped which is absolute garbage.the first week or 2 you drop around 10lb of water,and than you might lose a couple of more lb's of fat and that it.after a while you become so sluggish and weak its a joke the metabolism is so sluggish there is no way youll lose anything.the fucking muscle rags print these stupid low carb articles so they can sell you their low carb supplements.getting ripped is all a calorie game.a person could drop fat eating pure sugar as long as the calories are low enough.stick to a healthy diet of clean food and cardio,have an occasional cheat meal and make sure your calories are below maintance and youll have no choice but to get ripped. s()(...)/''..)e/''k | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 80 |
--"the metabolism is so sluggish there is no way youll lose anything"-- What the heck to carbs have to due with metabolism? Why would your metabolism go down just because you stopped eating carbs??? Metabolism is a function of frequency of calorie consumption, not quality of calorie consumption. When I'm on a keto diet, my metabolism goes through the roof. Your body has no choice but to speed up its metabolism if it is going to process large quantities of protein and fat, both of which are slower digesting than carbs. --"a person could drop fat eating pure sugar"-- Not a chance. I'll make you a deal. I'll eat nothing but steak for the next month. You eat nothing but sugar packets and we'll see what happens. ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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ive droped fat eating mcdonalds,hell yeah big macs on a diet! its all a calorie game,carbs or no carbs. ive yet to see a persons metabo go through the roof on a keto diet.thats what they claim in the books but i never seen it in real life everyone i saw felt like crap and all their lifts droped significantly.i think cutting carbs would be a good idea towrds the end of the cutting cycle when nothing else works anymore,but youre making a mistake if youre starting youre diet keto style...peace bro.. s()(..)/''..)e/''k | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 63 |
Tyler.... where do you come up with all of this BS... you can lose weight by eating only sugar.... and you lose weight by eating McDonalds.... that's the biggest bunch of BS i've heard.... NE WAYZ... thanks for the replies..... | ||
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Cool Novice
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i guess no one ever heard of calories here.. whatever.... s()(..)/''..)e/''k | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 604 |
Tyler, No, it is not all about calories. It is also about manipulation of hormones, specifically insulin and glucagon. | ||
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Cool Novice
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I do remember Dan Duchaine once talking about a 'Ketonic diet'. Very basically you straved yourself of carbs until your ketone levels (in urine) where reasonbly high and then stuffed on simple carbs. (or something) he believed it has highly effective. My understanding is that if you starve your body of protein for long enough. a/ It will metabolize firstly get enery stored in the liver, then the muscles, then fat. b/ There is a way that the body can catabolize protien for energy (not normally possible.. believe me it WILL happen after a while). c/ When you do eat again your body will store those carbs anyway it can... I'm sure you know what I mean. This one of the reasons bodybuilders eat 3 hourly. A constant amount of energy means the body does not have to store it (as fat). Conversly.....! Hope this helps! ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
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Shit, I meant Carbs, not protein ------------------ | ||
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Novice
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posted September 16, 2000 03:24 PM
