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 IF YOU HAD YOUR FIRST CYCLE TO DO OVER AGAIN, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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IF YOU HAD YOUR FIRST CYCLE TO DO OVER AGAIN, WHAT WOULD YOU DO...HOW WOULD YOU DO IT?     | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 155 |
Sustanon and D-bol. Plus now I have a lot more knowledge and am more dedicated to bodybuilding then I was when I did my first cycle. I know that if I were to do it all over again I would gain a lot more than I actually did. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 228 |
Probably sust only. I didn't know what I was doing on my first cycle and all I took was dbol for three weeks at 4 per day. Man, if I only knew then what I know now... | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 2398 |
sust deca dbol 750*****400****6.day 500*****400****6.day 500*****400****5.day 500*****400****4.day 500*****400****4/day 500*****400 500*****300 250*****200 clomid 100mg.day as well clomid eod during whole cycle, the deca shot once a week the sust shot every 3 days, and the dbol take EVERY 4 HOURS including nightime. You also need 40 tbs of novaldex 20mg each in case of gyno, if it presents itself, 40mg/day for 5 days then 20mg.day for another 5. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
E2, what do you think the difference would be (gains/strength/keeping gains and strength) if you left the sust out of that cycle. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 495 |
The sust is the backbone of that cycle, you wouldn't want to remove it. Without it, your gains would be much less. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 614 |
everthing the same-hard and heavy, only this time with nolvadex or clomid. | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 49 |
i am with E2 on this one. i would definately go with the sus, deca, d-bol appoach.WOW. if i just start over. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 330 |
Nolvadex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(yea I screwed up the first time) | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 410 |
e2 read my mind on this one , except i would throw some primo in there( personal preference) i wish i knew about clomid in 1985. things would definately of been different for me!!! ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 145 |
E2, I am in my 2 week of an almost identical cycle to what you posted for a first cycle. I'm wondering what you would recommend for a second?...as I'm already thinking about my 2nd one. Would you keep the deca at 400 and up the sus to 750 all the way through? ------------------ [This message has been edited by Chris (edited September 16, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
For arguements sake, let's say I do E2's cycle without the sust and a bit more dbol. I gain 27 lbs (My diet and training are good, remember...this is my first cycle so gains will be good). I keep maybe 19 or 20 lbs. If I add the sust, will I gain considerably more? I mean if I'm only going to gain a few more pounds, maybe I should save room for a sust/dbol cycle for my second cycle. Don't you think I'd make better progress if I split it into 2 cycles? I think it's possible to keep 20 lbs. from the first cycle and 15 from the second. That's 35 lbs. Do you think you could do that in just one sust/deca/dbol cycle? Just a thought. I'm sure there are flaws in my logic that I fail to see, so please correct me. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 27 |
shit i still have 6 weeks to go on my first cycle. sus(500mg)deca(400mg) and i did 6 dbol a day for the first 2 weeks then 4 for one. I started the dbol early but I have put on 20lbs as of right now. The sus should be kicking in soon. I can see gaining 35lbs all together. I started at 163. was at 183lbs 9oz this morning. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
That's great, md. I'm starting at about the same weight. How tall are you (just curious)? Can you give me the specifics of your cycle? | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 35 |
Well, I think I'm going to try something a little different. Instead of jump starting my cycle with dbols, I'm going to STACK it with them. I just started week 5 of Omnadren at 500mg a week for 10 weeks, and EQ next week will start at 400mg a week til week 13, along with 5 dbols a day til week 9. Since you make your best gains weeks 5,6,7,8,9, why not STACK the dbols? I don't think anyone here ever really "stacked" the dbols during the weeks that the Sustanon actually kicks in. What do you think bros? | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 73 |
I"m just starting my 6th week on Monday of my deca/dbol/primo cycle and have gained 22 pounds already. I did fine without the sust in my opinion and want to save it for the next cycle. I kind of agree with 2thicks idea of not using test on the first cycle. It gives me more options down the road for more growth I believe. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
What does your cycle look like, Daeo? | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 2398 |
Samiam you're not going to gain 19 lbs of muscle off deca and dbol alone, it's just not going to happen, you'd have to be a genetic freak. It could happen perhaps if it's your first cycle. now the cycle i posted is a great newbie cycle, great gains and tons of strength and if it's done properly you should gain at least 15-20 lbs of muscle!!! Not weight MUSCLE!!! Which is a lot different you may put on 40 lbs or more, but only about 15-20 lbs of muscle. If i could do it all over i'd do that cycle for my first one, god i wish i could start again!! Taking something out of that cycle, is just turning it into a waste of money and time. Don't mess with it, just do it. Moe, i'm glad you're seeing such great results!!!! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 666 |
I would do that cycle E2 proposed as well I'd run the Sust at 750 all the wat through..either way it'd be a hell of an improvement over the 50mg of winny only eod that I did for my first..I was happy with it at the time though. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
That's what I meant. If it was your first cycle, as it would be mine. You've got me thinking about doing that cycle you posted up there. I'm on the fence right now, cause some say to save test for later. That's why I posted this question. You guys are giving me some great feedback (and all the other first-timers who will read this as well). Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience. Keep posting. I'll let you all know what I've decided to do (it also depends on what I can afford) and keep you posted. I'm going to try to document my cycle as well as I can. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 495 |
samiam, the topic of "test for newbies" has been discussed in depth before. If you haven't already, look it up using the search. That might help you decide. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 53 |
Samiam you need to learn after make it,then you don't need on the future say (IF I CAN DO IT AGAIN),don't make the same mistake I did and others here,I prefer the same cicle E2 post it(I DID THE SAME BUT WITHOUT THE CLOMID),and I lost a few of what I gain. So good luck,and remember nothing like the first cicle,you need to take advantage of that. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
Thank you everyone for all your help. After hearing all of that, I'll probably add the sost. I really do appreciate you all responding. | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 3943 |
I would do it the same way. Primo at 200/week for 8 weeks. I learned so much from my first few cycles. They were something like warm-ups for the real cycles. I don't want to waste good dosages on the ignorance of the first few cycles. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 173 |
Depotestosterone for 5 weeks, then taper in the last 3 weeks. Also Deca at 400mg for 6 weeks then taper in the last 2 weeks. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
How did it turn out, 2thick? What kind of gains did you make? | ||
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Moderator
Posts: 3943 |
With the Primo I gained about 10 pounds and kept 8. Then I did a light Deca cycle and kept about 8-9 pounds. I really learned how important diet and rest were during those cycles. I also learned that steroids are far from being "magic". You have to work for every pound. That has helped me make great gains since. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
OK everyone. If E2's sost/deca/dbol cycle is your choice for a first cycle, then what would be your second cycle? What do you think the perfect cycle would be to follow that up? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 666 |
If you need to shed a few pounds of bf I'd go straight into a cutting cycle of winny/primo/clen..harden up and solidify your gains from the mass cycle. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1106 |
E2's cycle is what i was thinking about. ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 66 |
Krusher, you'd go right into the cutting cycle with no time off? Oh yeah, I did check out that post "No test for newbies". It was definately a big help. The search tool on this site in general is invaluable. There's so much info every where you look on this site. No one should ever have to make the same mistakes you vets made. Thanks for being our geuini pigs:-) | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 666 |
That's right..straight into a cutting cycle, send me an e-mail and I'll forward an example cycle if you like. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 705 |
I only did 8 Sus redijects in a decrease the days cycle and I kept all of it. 20 solid lbs. More evidence of 2thicks light cycle theory I guess- | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 377 |
Bro, My first cycle I went with the sus@500 and deca@ 400 until the last week. Also ate a few dbol/day the first three weeks. Clomid eod and at the end for two weeks. It was my first cycle and I have kept 14lbs. of solid muscle. My next cycle will be closer to what E2 is stating although I will probably run the sus@ 750 the first four weeks with the dbol at the aforementioned levels. I have great respect for both 2thick's and E2's approaches and theories. You'll just have to pick one and pay particular attention to your diet and rest as 2thick states. Good luck bro! delts ------------------ |
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posted September 16, 2000 09:57 AM
