The history of your postings, as far as I'm concerned are as follows:

1. Someone asks a question about a new lab (Ttokkyo labs) in mexico- you say they are a scam

2. I defend the company because, let's just say I have "insider" info...stuff like, the same person who introduced Rod Sylvia(person behind the development/exportation of stanazolik/denkadiol to mexico) to Denkall is the same person who helped Ttokkyo labs develop their products- you attack me, trying to discredit me and the information I post

3. You ask for "independent" lab tests showing if the ttokkyo products are real or not- they are provided and you attack the credibility of the person who tested the products (whom, by the way seems to have a pretty good reputation), and the validity of the tests themself

4. Apparently a post of yours was erased off of one of the message boards because all you did was flame me (and my name wasn't even mentioned in the thread until you brought it up) and questioned the reputation of LOD- now you are trying to discredit that message board

I still like Renegade and visit it occasionally. And I consider one of the Mods over there a friend of mine. He's told me they've started tightening up on source postings, which is a good thing.

Dexter

[This message has been edited by THESAINT (edited September 15, 2000).]

delts

Ok I rarely post here but I had to comment. I asked L.O.D. to fax the results to me. He did. He tried to cover the fax headings on the 12 pages he faxed, but he accidently left one of the pages showing who did the test. Oubviously he doesn't want people to know so I will respect that and not mention who did the test. But the name of the laboratory and the fax number that appeared on the one page he missed covering shows the name of a reputable laboratory.

I am in no way bias for any company.
But I think the doc must have you brainwashed or something cause you are too stuborn to accept that this company is legit.

I like both company's products in fact my next cycle consist of products from both companies.

Lets just stop the flamin.

chuchu

The Ttokkyo products tested out as real. You've seen the results yourself, Saint. I think you should accept it for what it's worth. I know of which lab did the tests, the person that had the tests done, and the reasons behind it.

Also, if you read my post on the Ttokkyo lab results, you'd understand why there is some descrepancies in the results between the various tests.

And to the guy who's sick of the "bitching" between thesaint and myself, stop reading the posts, stop responding...why get involved in something you probably don't know anything about? TheSaint and I obviously don't see eye to eye on alot of things- I've asked Thesaint to email me so we can talk about this off the board- no email received... so that's why we keep going back and forth.

Saint, I would let this matter die in a heartbeat, but you keep bringing up my name...I have never claimed to be an expert on anything except for certain things south of the border...I do not give advice on cycles, what stacks best with what, proper nutrition or training techniques, etc...just mainly MEX stuff. That being said, when I do take the time to post, usually I have 100% faith in what I am posting...Just like you get your information from ONE person, I get mine from MANY people, many well-respected people. All I am asking is if you feel the need to continually try and discredit me or the information I post- just show some proof and I'll shut my mouth. You seem to have no problem with anything I post accept when it pertains to Ttokkyo labs or Denkall/Salvet...Instead of saying "damian you are full of shit...where's your proof?" Why not provide your own proof showing I am wrong?

And as far as providing accurate information goes...take a look at some of your own posts:

Posted by THESAINT August 7, 2000 7:14pm:
"Tornel is the better choice. Brovel is out of business. We're just waiting to see if someone takes over the company."
====Your information was wrong, Lab Brovel is the largest veterinary pharmaceutical manufacturer in all of mexico- they will never go out of business.

Posted by THESAINT, August 8, 2000 5:14pm:
"the word is Gorge Brovel is behind Ttokkyo labs with Dr. Molina. Their 300mg deca is Brovels norandren 200 with a different label. Their dbols are thai dbols repackaged. They will be shut down soon."
====Here you really blew it. The person you are referring to is BRAVO- no relation to Lab Brovel whatsoever...the only person who referred to him as Gorge "Brovel" was Mike Barr/Captain Dbol, yes, your beloved Will Ekard. Mr. BRAVO is the main distributor for Ttokkyo in Baja Mexico and works with them in the development of their products, is there something wrong with this? And yes, Mr. Bravo is the main distributor for Tornel & Brovel in the Baja area as well- and also advises them on new product development (can you say Norandren 200? Tornel Sustanon, Tornel deca200?). And before you try and flame someone whom you know absolutely nothing about, let me just say that if it wasn't for Mr. Bravo and Dan Duchaine's advice to him some 10+ years ago- there wouldn't be a testosterona 200 or the original Norandren 50...You probably don't know this but the only veterinary steroid in mexico was Intervet's Laurabolin(until lab brovel introduced nora50). Btw, when you meet with Rod Sylvia- ask him who the first person was that he contacted in regards to exporting Australian vet products to mexico a couple years ago...Yes, Mr. B... Rod wanted Mr. B to be his partner, Mr. B wasn't interested because he did not think the australian products would sell in mexico (because of their higher price compared to the mex products)...So Mr. B introduced Rod Sylvia to the owner of Denkall Mexicana- and you know what happened next (stanazolik/denkadiol). So if you're going to flame the person who helped ttokkyo labs with their products, then you're also flaming the same person who helped Rod Sylvia and Denkall.

Ok, do I really need to address your "t.labs deca300 is relabled nora200?"...I think this lie has been put to rest. About the ttokkyo dbol being repackaged/labled thai anabol- you're wrong...in the future ttokkyo will be adding their own "flavor" to each tablet they produce...shape, color, size will stay the same but identifiable markings will be added.
And please, what's this- "they will be shut down soon.." Why? Are you and Mike Barr/Will Ekard planning to kidnap Dr. Molina???? Ttokkyo labs isn't going anywhere.

Posted by THESAINT, August 8, 2000 5:37pm:
"...could be as the Brovel brothers own Brovel and Tornel."
====Not true, the father owns Brovel and his son from a former marriage owns Tornel.

A)Posted by THESAINT, August 15, 2000 3:40pm:
"as for Denkall, they probably produce the product (decanandrolen and ultragan) in a australian supervised environment up to their standards."
B)Posted By THESAINT, August 24, 2000 11:11pm:
"All aussie products are made by Troy Labs in Australia. Denkall imports the bulk product for decanandrolen and ultragan and has it bottled in Mexico. Dbol will be made by Troy labs also."
C)Posted by THESAINT, August 25, 2000 12:09pm:
"...You don't know what you're talking about. Troy labs makes all denkall products up till now."
====Saint, you can't even get your own story straight here. First you say the denkall deca200 and ultragan are probably made in mexico for denkall by an "australian supervised lab"...Then you claim they come from Troy Labs in Australia...Well, you were kind've right the first time- they are being made in Mexico City by a Lab contracted out by Denkall (I seriously doubt there are supervisors from Australia sitting in this lab watching the stuff being made though)...But you are flat-out wrong when you said the material for decanandrolen and ultragan comes from australia. The "mexican" owner of Denkall says these products(decanandrolen/ultragan) have no connection to Australia whatsoever- so why do you?

Posted by THESAINT, August 25, 2000 4:28pm:
"...come clean Dr. Luciano or whoever you are..."
====Huh? Dr. Who? The next one's even better..

Posted by THESAINT, August 14, 2000 1:39pm:
"Damian, I mean Dr. Molina, why did you show up on the boards on July 8th about the same time as ttokkyo labs?"
====So first I'm Dr. Luciano and now I'm supposedly Dr. Molina? Give it up, I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Btw, I didn't mysteriously appear when ttokkyo labs did...My very first post on Elite Fitness was March 11, 1997 under the handle "enquirer"...my email addy was [email protected], and (unfortunately) I'm still using the same webtv box. Here's my post: www.elitefitness.com/ubb/Archives/wwwboard/10036.html and if you don't believe that's really me(IP should be the same if someone wants to pull it off that post and compare it to the one I have now), the cypionate was purchased from a very well-known national level competitor who is the current spokesperson for Universal Nutrition(check out the ads in Musclemag)...He used to run the Santa Barbara Gold's gym. Also, as far as my reasons for coming back to Elite Fitness, I posted why in this thread: www.elitefitness.com/es/Forum1/08-2000/025629.html ... And you can check the archives at the anabolex board where I've been posting off and on for the past 2 years.

Posted by THESAINT, July 14, 2000 6:34pm:
"I heard these guys (ttokkyo labs) were paid by Brovel to counterfeit Denkall products so Denkall would be discredited. Denkall is taking to much of their business."
====Ridiculous, but funny. Yes, ttokkyo and brovel are working together to counterfeit products Denkall doesn't even make or have plans on making!!!???? NOT! Please post who told you this (I already know it was Will/Mike). And about this "denkall is taking to much of their business"...You're referring to Brovel right? You're WAY OFF here...I'm no big Lab Brovel fan, but nobody comes close to selling as many products as Brovel. The largest distributor of vet gear in TJ orders between 5,000-10,000 vials of Brovel T200 per month(that's just one product)...He orders under 3,000 vials of Stanazolik, Denkadiol, Ultragan and Decanandrolen COMBINED PER MONTH!

Posted by THESAINT, August 25, 2000 11:26am:
"Of course your friend is growing on ttokkyo dbol THEY ARE THAI ANABOLS. WHAT ABOUT THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?"
====I guess you stand behind this statement like you do about t.labs deca300 being relabled brovel nora200? Anyways, like I said before...all you have to do is compare one tablet of British Dispensary Anabol and and one tab of Ttokkyo Labs Methandienone-5 and you'll see there are obvious differences between the tablets.

Posted by THESAINT, August 1, 2000 7:59pm:
"actually they (lab Brovel) don't produce anything. They buy their product from Holland and package it in Mexico."
====Since when did Brovel stop producing their products at their Lab in Mexico City? Like NEVER. All of brovel's products are made in Mexico City- this is a fact.

Posted by THESAINT, August 25, 2000 1:12pm:
"...they(ttokkyo labs) were issued a registration number for their dbol. That's why they are under investigation by S.A.G.A.R. It is illegal to register someone elses product in Mexico."
====I'll say it again, not that I have anything against BD thai anabol, but t.labs methandienone isn't repackaged anabol, nor is ttokkyo labs under any type of investigation. Here's why you are wrong about the whole anabol/ttokkyo dbol thing...If ttokkyo wanted to register British Dispensary Anabol as their own product legally and hassle-free, all Ttokkyo labs would have to do is send samples of BD Anabol to
Mexico's Ministry of Health for testing along with literature showing the benefits of methandienone for horses/cows/dogs/goldfish or whatever. The Ministry of Health would approve this product and S.A.G.A.R. would give Ttokkyo labs their registration number- all parties knowing this is going to be an imported steroid for veterinary use from Thailand. Ttokkyo labs, working together with British Dispensary, would then keep the same bottles/plastic tubs (as BD anabol) but would be required by S.A.G.A.R./Ministry of Health to re-name the product, reprint the label and instructions in Spanish and attach the "Import/Export" information to the side of each tub of dbol that was sent to mexico from Thailand- the same information you see on the Stanazolik/Denkadiol boxes, or the Fort Dodge Ketamine, Equipoise boxes or VM's Ganabol, or Inpel's Maxigan...All of these products are made in other countries and registered by companies in Mexico to be sold in Mexico. You're reply, Saint, will be "well why would any legit lab copy another companies product?" Well, it's already been proven that Ttokkyo labs is an actual lab and their products are real, but to be perfectly honest I have no idea why they made their dbol tablet look like BD anabol...Like I wrote earlier though, ttokkyo does plan on adding their own markings onto all of their tabs.

The Saint is a valued member of this board, and many of us (including me) are happy to have him around. Im not saying what is what, or who is right, but the fact reamains Saint that your opinions are highly valued here, and this the home in which you should stay.

Just my .02
WCP

Another thing I know The Saint been around for ages like the guy smart guy same thing as DB. Basically Denkall is pissing in their Pants over Tokyyo labs but that is neither here nor there. I am just here to say anyone is welcome and all opinions are welcome as long as they have semi-good taste. I am also gonna mention this is where I got my start(Elite) good to see it is still around and kickin.

anyhoo.

>>> an addition>>>
I had to add this Mike/Will I just noticed your post. I think under another name and this name I was the first or one of them to call you out as the thief and liar you are caught a lot of grief for that but the truth was found out.good for you these types of scenes and boards change rapidly so a lot of people dont recognize you but your legend still lives on bro gotta giva you credit for balls.

PIGGY

I am going to have to disagree with you on your statement accusing "The Doc/Will/Die Hard/CAptain D-Bol/Mike Barr running the Aussvet site. It is obvious it is run by a close companion of his but it is lacking the spelling typographical, grammatical errors and thoughtless bullshit bullshit that usually spews from Doc/Will/Die Hard/Captain D-Bol/Mike's festering sewer.The Doc/Will/Die Hard/Captain D-Bol/Mikeanyone who disagree's with you is a scammer, loser, or FED. You are the only one in this whole game that has openly threatened to exppose "People's Information" to the FED's, although they are Mexican FED's it is still the same concept. Yet you call others little cunts and swear they will never cross the border again. Dude you are a joke. I think you almost believe yourself.

Saint, Airtyme, Smackdog(Dildo):