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 a sust/dbol stack any opinions
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 325 |
ok here is the deal the stack im looking at for my first cycle is sust/dbol set up liek this week1 sust 250mg dbol 35mg/day after last injection week 1 100mg eod sound like a good set up for a first cycle ------------------     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1221 |
Looks great for a first cycle bro.The only thing I'd rearrange is the clomid pattern.Push it back to two weeks after your last shot and you're dead on the money.You should enjoy some nice gains there bro.Good luck! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
thanx for the help bro ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1949 |
Id like to see: a) clomid throughout the cycle Nolva on hand! Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
bro i dotn wanna overdo it jsut a nice first cycle im looking at 20lbs of gains ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 18 |
Hey Oak, My first cycle i also started at 250mg a week.Now that i regetfully look back i wish i used 500mg throughout the 8 weeks. I know my gains would have been much better. | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 12 |
I'd taper down on the dbol to avoid a crash/urinating out all your gains...sounds good for a first one...my first starts in about 3 weeks, eq/dbol...keep us posted on the results! Good luck, drop me an e-mail about the first injection, I'm still a little nervous! ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
i plan on many more cycles in the future so wouldnt it be wiser to start lower so i dont have to go harder in the future resulting in harder side effects ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1949 |
You wont be over doing it at all, that is a mild cycle. Why not use just deca then? Save the test until you want to do a heavier cycle (even though the one i suggested is in NO way heavy) and just use deca. I think that might be a better idea than using the sus at 250 with dbol. A thought... Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
well ive really been researching sust the effects and i know alot mroe about it then deca ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
Oak, sure you could start low, my reasoning falls between E2 captian insano cycle and 2thicks consevative cycles.Plus 8 weeks at 250mg is relatively mild. All im saying is don't be disapointed when you don't blow up if thats what your shooting for [This message has been edited by Twisted91 (edited September 13, 2000).] | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1949 |
You dont just do a drug because you know more about it, you should look at all drugs you have access to and see which IS best suited to you and for your goals...Canadian if you dont mind me asking how old are you and how long have you been liftin? be honest it will help in the advice given by the board.. Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
good point bro i tihnk upping the cycle would be a wise decison i really want 20lbs of keepable gains and i will taper the dbol prob sometihng liek this week1 45mg's would that be a good taper? ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
If it is your first cycle it will work very well. But if you want 20 lbs of solid muscle, you better throw in a little deca OR up the sust to 500 per week. But 15 lbs should be easily possible here. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
ok i know im gonna get tons of flames but im 16 and i just want that extra boost i dont want to compete or anytihng just a boost ive been lifitng for almost a year now,im just looking for some good help on this my diet and training is good but i just want the edge over other ppl my age,so plz dont flame me cuz it wont help thanx ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1949 |
He can get 20 pounds off of low deca and dbol IF he knows how to train and eat correctly. Canadian what are your stats? SLopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
im aroudn 160-165 43 chest 30.5 waist 15arms 26 quads 17 calfs ive made decent progress up till now but i want more ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
Yep, you will get tons of flames. If you were even 18 you ould get some maybes, but at 16 you really shouldn't be juicing. I am sure you will anyway so go ahead and take the advice above and make sure you tell your doc so he can monitor you. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
thanx for the help bro im weighing the options ill decide what im gonna take based on teh advice i get ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
16 ha...? Ok then, take 250mg of sus a month for 2 months. No really, i would agree w/ Slopian and | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1949 |
DO NO cycle, I thought you were 16, didnt want to flame - you need to wait you are nowhere near done growing bro - no cycle is the best for you if you feel you have to use a steriod get some anavar wont do too much for mass but youll get strong and I think they give it to younger people anyway.. MY ADVICE NO STERIODS AT ALL FOR NOW. No flames here just trying to help. Slopain | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1221 |
Based on the stats you gave,I will stick with my original advice.Except I will also change here to what slopain advised on the clomid(due to your age),run it EOD throughout the cycle also.AND Mav is correct,you really shouldn't screw with your test levels at your age,you really should wait a few more years and take advantage of the highest NATURAL test levels you will ever have bro. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
gusy ive reached my max height im as tall as my dad and nobody in my family is taller so i wont be getting taller thats why i considered it,but deca seems like the way to go ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
Yep gotta agree with Slopain. But I also know that if you have your mind set on something you are probably gonna do it anyway. If you train hard and eat right, you could put on over 20 lbs in the next couple of years. Then if you decide to juice when you are in your 20's your results will be fantastic. Try and have the will power to wait. I know its hard but in the end it will be worth it. Your body has got so much testosterone in it now that you bascily are on a cycle of natural test. Use it while you can. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
as for the deca would you reccomend 400mg's a week with a dbol stack of w1 45mg's w2 45mg's w3 45mg's w4 40mg's w5 30mg's w6 20mg's would that prevent a crash ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 18 |
Oak, i swear to God bro between the ages of 19 and 20 i must have grown another inch and my shoulders became much broader.I don't know about anybody else but it seems after high school the wieght just comes from no where.So maybe you should wait | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
If you are gonna take deca, you might want to take some winny with it just in case you are sensitive to progesterone. Deca and winny would be a good stack. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
i have alot fo thinkign to do on how to work this out i may drop dbols i dunno yet ill figure it out,what does winny do for that? ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 33 |
The reason I say this is that if you are progesterone sensitive, you can get gyno from deca. There is really nothing you can take like nolva or clomid to stop at. But winny occupies some of the progesterone receptors so it is one of the only thing that can help prevent it. Plus this would be a good stack that would give you solid muscle. It wouldn't blow you up overnight but it would give you steady growth. You would also probably be abel to keep about 90% of it. | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1949 |
If you have to do a cycle I might think deca (@200mg) and winny at 50mg eod (or even every third day) may be the way to go - to keep it mild...BUT I just dont think you should do any cycle, just because you are as big as the rest of your family at 16 doesnt mean your done growing it means youll grow bigger than the rest of them if you give yourself the chance...dont you want to be taller? and let your body mature so you look like a man instead of kids body with muscles here and there? IMO you will look ALOT BIGGER and BETTER if you wait to juice for some years.. Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
definatly something to think about,im basically going to have to talk this over with a good bro whos helping and then decide what im gonna take thanx guys ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 15 |
Looks good, Enjoy it and grow. ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
im actually happy at 5'6 i dont desire to be taller ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1949 |
I have a feeling your going to do this cycle no matter what, just remember you can always do a cycle but youll never get to grow height wise again.. you like it now cuz your the height or taller than all your friends, they will continue to grow while your growth may be stunted, I dont even think thats avg height for a male in the US - 5'9" is avg no? at any rate - I am 6'2" and I grew like a fuckin weed until I was 20. Its in your hands, but do NOT discount the gravity and seriousness of this choice you are making, the brain your thinking with now will change DRASTICALLY as you get older - you will probably regret this decision if you stunt your growth.. lemme ask you this:: How many calories a day are you eating?
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Freak
Posts: 1949 |
bump | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
i eat around 4000 calories a day a average day for me is morning snack 2 tuna sandwhichs and low fat muffin with creatine lunch 2 4ounce chicken breasts with rice and diet pop afternoon snack 2 turkey sandwhiches with 1litre skim milk dinner 5ounce steak rice beans and another vegtable with protein shake evening snack protein shake two turkey or chicken sandwhiches thats a typical day for me i knwo this desciosn will affect the rest of my life but i can deal with that ------------------ | ||
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Freak
Posts: 1949 |
If you eat that you will grow monthly without any other supplements or roids. Like I said, I had a feeling you will do what you want...I hope it works for you. Slopain | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 325 |
i ahve my heart set on it im just glad i had you guys here to help with things thanx alot bro's ill keep u updated on this ------------------ |
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posted September 13, 2000 05:34 PM