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 To Flame or Not to Flame: You damn Right!
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Elite Bodybuilder 
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Right is right, it doesnt matter to me if this concept is first vocalized by a newbie. Doesnt matter to me if that perspective runs contrary to a Moderators opinion. To Flame or not to Flame, well if someone diserves a reality check, by God If its in my power to do so, Im gonna let the kid/man/moron have it. The moderators of Elite Fitness represent and enforce the beliefs of George Spellwin, that said your expected to conduct yourselves with a measure of decorum and restraint. I however am not a Moderator, I am still paying my dues on this forum. I believe I represent a demogrpahic which is better informed than the majority of persons who come here seeking advice. Myself, in the company of Bchemist, 300kleen, AnimalB and others have an implecit obligation. When a newbie steps out of line, falls short of basic fundamental expectations were gonna let him know it, in some occassions in not so gentel of a manner. The Elite Fitness moderator does his best work under a mantal of anonimity. You ensure that the cogs, which keep Elite Fitness Anabolic forum running, are well oiled and operating under gnerally accepted guidelines. The vets of this forum shouldn't have that luxury. I respect and appriciate the reality checks visted upon me in the recent past by better informed members. Well intended ponient flames keep the new natives in check, it also serves as an informal indirect reminder to the Vets to step up when needed. The verbal pile drivers visted upon the newbie that errs isn't done to humiliate or insult the individual, its done to ensure the over all common good. We are still blessed with a limited free speech, but bare in mind the focal point of this FORUM, it aint about barbie dolls.
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 565 |
Bump that. | ||
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Guru 
Posts: 2888 |
I will second that! Well written Twisted S. ------------------ UP-TO-DATE information on STEROIDS and PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS: | ||
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Freak 
Posts: 1883 |
Yep | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 172 |
TS, I love when you flame someone because you're brutally honest. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
Sorry my friends above me. I am not with you on this one. There is enough degradation, belittlement and flaming in this world already. The people who come here are generally seeking knowledge of some sort. They don't know the rules on this board and beating them like a drill instructor is not going to do anything but in BIZ's words "chase them away". I liken it to a child. If you beat the child instead of explaining things to them what kind of adult will he become? They will have no respect for you or this board and will not become members in good standing. What is so wrong with using that great vocabulary of your's STEEL to explain, instead of flame? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 910 |
I have rarely seen blatant abusive language directed to an individual on this forum. Think about it, I doubt you have either. If it has occured it was probably well diserved, if it wasn't then that situation should be remedied. Innocent naive questions shouldn't invoke an inflametory response, but blatant stupidity, well cmon. Utter, you have a great disposition, all around nice guy. People like you are a welcomed asset anywhere in life. Im the same way, but when I fuck up in life, or make wrong choices, those superlative individuals in my life let me know it. That approach may not be PC, but its sure as hell effective. So were gonna have to agree to disagree, but both our prespectives on "stupidity control" can work in unison. I just dont want PC "Political Correctness" pushed down my throat for fear of, heaven forbid, "offending" someone on a chat forum. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
"Political Correctness" is probably a misnomer here (to steal a Steel). I am referring more to using a civil tongue. As a newbie I would just respond better to.. "Use the search first" before I would.. "you dumb fuck you're clueless".. That's all. One more thing... I think we do work in unison, very well. [This message has been edited by ulter (edited September 08, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 112 |
Well, I gottta agree with utter on this. Many of you are probably laughing yourself silly about right now. There ain't nothing worse than a person who belittles someone less educated in an area than themselves. NOt everyone knows about rocket science or that the knee bone is connected to the shin bone. (at least I hope it is) I think to shoot someone down for asking a stupid question, that to them was not stupid, they just didn't know, is demeaning and insulting. I try to live by the only stupid question is the one not asked. I am reminded of a childhood story of a contest between the wind and the sun. The wind bet the sun that he could take the pedestrians jacket off. So the sun agreeed. The win blew with a tempest, trying to rip the jacket off the man. But the man clung and wrapped himself for all he was worth in his jacket. Till finally the wind gave up. Then the sun shined warmly down on the man and the man took off his jacket and the sun won. I remember reading a post that for all intents and purposes sounded ridiculous to me. Some guy was saying that he worked out at home with canns of veggies doing curls at a couple of hundred reps and was asking if this would give him big arms. Well, it turns out that the guy was a kid whose mom did not want to let him go and workout at a gym because she was afraid that he would get hurt. Can you imagining flaming a little kid? I don't think anyone did but alot of newbies who come here are of the same mindset. They know absolutely nothing and are just wanting to learn. Some of their posts come from silly misconceptions or stuff they heard at the gym from less informed buddies. The great thing about this board is that there are alot of knowledgeable people here, like you Twisted Steel, who others who are less informed can learn alot from. Just a thought, but shouldn't we all try and model ourselves and responses to that of the mods and george? We don't need a bunch of clones, of course. But what is stupid and ignorant to one might be a wealth of knowledge to another. Peace. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 484 |
Twisted, I did just that (a flaming) to a newbie on another board because he posted openly asking for "help" because he said he was too busy to drive to Tijuana (from LA). I said he was lazy ,ect. The fucker sent me an email virus (no attacment). ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1120 |
Damn YMKP,you flamed a damn computer-nerd.LOL!!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 363 |
Interesting thread. Not sure where it was coming from in TS's experience, but it's interesting. Fact is, there's tremendous heterogeneity on this board in terms of experience, attitude, disposition, knowledge and (gasp!) intelligence. So, Ulter's right, some of the smarter young guys with good attitudes will respond best to bbman's "sun' (That's one of Aesop's fables, bbman, called "The North Wind and the Sun"; I was reading it to my kids a few nights ago), while some of the less civilized and denser young heads need a dose of bbman's North Wind. As in most situations like this, and depending on the need of the group (in this case the need is to avoid source posting and other serious indiscretions), the correct course of action will be guided by appeal to the "lowest common denominator," in this case the kind of discipline that must be meted out to the dense, bad attitude young gearheads. So, I guess I'm with TS on this, though I respect your point of view here as always, Ulter. The only kind of disrespect that really irks me is the gross, expletive drenched personal assaults. I get them sometimes in response to my own posts, just because I'm an older and more conservative (not politically!) guy who frowns on drinking and fighting. I'll sometimes call one of the bros on that, and I'll often get a "Shut up, you old fart" kind of response from one of the young psychopaths on the board. I think namecalling like that just diminishes the writer, not the recipient but, in general, I think very direct, no nonsense feedback a'la Twisted Steel (and you sometimes too, Ulter) is the best way to go. Just my $.02. Be well and lift heavy, brothers. Bjaarki ------------------ BECOME SOMEONE'S HERO! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 445 |
"FLAME SQUAD"--coming to a thread near you! sometimes you just got to do it and let them know how the board gets ran, nice sometimes gets overlooked--hence it doesnt register and thats when the "FLAME SQUAD" will get 'em. im w/ you twisted and 300 kleen, i love seeing the reaction after a dumb ques. gets flamed to hell. hey, twisted if you ever need another member let me know down the road!hehehehe im@LRG | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 910 |
I feel I have to get this off my chest, perhaps this will bring forth additional clarity. Luvs2Juice, is a perfect example, I have never been so embarrassed by this forum as when such a person can illicit 80-100 responses in a single post, Every time he posts. The most profound writtings ever composed on here, will barely accumulate such a response. For the love of god, ignore posts like those. Spend your time bumping and praising those who take the time to contribute to this forum, not the attention getting antics of loaded questions! Source, posting deserves any reaction it recieves within obvious limits. Damaging the posters or respondants computer with a trojan hoarse, or making a death threat is obviously assinine, dangerous, and illegal. Ya get me, am I off base? ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 112 |
Well I gotta agree that source posting deserves a flame. But name calling and insulting for other questions like 'will spinach pump me up like popeye?' is just uncalled for. I posted a problem awhile back on another board and got a bunch of posts. got flamed by one bro! Other posted a response that generally said the same thing as the flame but they were well thought out and articulated responses that didn't demean me and so were well received by me. I think the rule of thumb for a flame is: who is it elevating? you or the recipient? If it's only purpose is too elevate you and make you look big in everyone elses eyes, then you are in the wrong. If it is too instruct and elevate the recipient to a higher level of understanding and acheivment of their own greatness, then you are right. Too flame just because you are in a bad mood and need to take it out on someone is wrong. Don't misunderstand me Twisted Steel, I am not saying that that is what YOU do, I am just saying that that is what I have noticed in other flames. Some flames I have noticed are good others just completely uncalled for. In the end, the flame will tell them man. Peace. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 112 |
Twisted you must have been posting at the same time I was. Actually that clarity makes a whole lot more sense to what you were saying. And I whole heartedly agree with that. There was a post, I think it was on this board, of a bro who was talking about the reaction time of test or deca or something like that. He had gotten his info from a medibolics sight or something like that. Someone disagreed with him and the flaming started. What I observed is that his post was speaking to the medical aspects of juice effects on the system which were more immediate. Whereas, the experieced juicers were talking about juices noticeable effects which were not immediate. I suddenly saw all this flaming, I believe it was started by the guy who originally started the post, all over a misunderstanding or intrepretation to what the other guy was saying. I think that when one posts you should have an clear understanding of what the other guy is saying. Otherwise, you could have a mini war on your hands. Lets take example this thread and the responses to your posts so far. The responses have been in agreement or disagreement but no flaming has gone on. That is kinda cool I think. I do agree with you, if someone is saying something that can cause another physical harm if followed, then yeah, maybe they do need a fire lit under their ass. Peace bro and know that I repect you and find your post informe and thought out. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 445 |
lol no comments about the "flame squad"--im shocked! im@LRG | ||
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Moderator
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To all the bro's who've posted in this thread, i'm glad to have all of you around!! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 252 |
when i get flamed it makes me seek out the answers....i look everywhere so i can get the info i need...guess what, i've been flamed 1 or 2 times, that is it....keep the flames civil but telling one of us to "use the damn search" is productive... many people try to use juice as a shortcut, these are the same people with the dumb questions...we do not need them here anyway. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 112 |
Thanx E2. I hope I am included in that cause I am taking it to heart. peace. I think I am gonna get off this thing now and go eat me some eggs and cream of wheat. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 257 |
What's a flame...do you guys know where I can get any.....I agree twisted 99% percent of your flames are really constructive criticism and I find no fault in putting somebody in their place if the post warrants such a response ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 430 |
I was just passing through, but I felt that this was too good of a thread to pass up. There are a number of key issues here that I personally have been dealing with on the board that T_S mentioned. First of all is the reckless manner in which the "vets" of this board dish out misinformation to newbies. By vets, I mean the guys who have hundreds of posts via bumping, flaming, agreeing, parrotting, etc. It's rediculous how many threads there are out there with the same thing written over and over again. Like Post 1 answer) definitely taper bro. 2)yea taper 3)I agree....taper the d-bol 4)looks good to me bro! ETC ETC ETC!!! And the newbie sees how "experienced" they are, and takes their advice to heart. And the worst part is that many of these "experts" have never even cycled, yet they advocate 1000mg of sust per week stacked with anadrol for a first timer! I will not hesitate to put a stop to this crap. This includes the recent post of the guy who wanted to steal AS from a pharmacy where he was employed. And these moron vets were giving him all sorts of rediculous advice, stuff we all know they wouldn't have the balls to do themself, including arson. I like to think that I chose this lifestyle because I am bettering myself and those around me. I do it responsibly and I try to guide others to do the same. I view these drugs as relatively benign if taken with a degree of common sense. I do not appreciate the company of thieves and thugs. And if there is a flame to be given out to a newbie, it's for a blatant lack of common sense. Flaming for a lack of knowledge is an ignorance in itself that needs to stop. Example...The post about birth defects and an AS correlation. Everyone thought it was a big flame fest. Until I stepped in and gave an answer. Suddenly the flaming stoppped. Even apologies were given (which are admirable BTW). So if you are not a doctor or biologist/geneticist/researcher don't flame questions in areas of science where you have no knowledge or experience!!!!! And the whole LUVS thing.....it just shows me where everyones priorities are. That child (if that's his real picture) has no place in an adult forum. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1327 |
It doesn't matter if you are a newbie or a vet; if you say something that is wrong and get an attitude with other board members for disagreeing with you then let the f*ckin flames roll. I expect the same treatment if I say something stupid and offensive. The only time I try to flame is when something is blatently disrespecting the rules. It has nothing to do with stupid questions. Ever since I have opened my mouth about my cutting cycle, I have had tons of e-mail asking for the cycle and I still have no problem giving it to people (even though it is posted in the archives under one of my old posts.) We all have rules we folow here and if you can't follow them then flames should be expected. [This message has been edited by Maverik (edited September 08, 2000).] | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 414 |
I agree with TwistedSteel there have been many instances were I will read a post from a newbie and want to absolutely torch there ass but some how I always respond nicely; when maybe a little harshness mite do more good. Sorry for the rant.
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 275 |
I agree with Twisted_Stell, so I'll bump this! ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 698 |
Mav, I agree with offensive but not stupid. Stupid is relative. And I agree some newbies like to get on the board and just start trash talkin' with whoever says something contrary to their view. Those guys get flamed and deserve it. Being an assho*e is part of their personality and they don't belong here in the first place. I don't think anyone would argue that. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
Originally posted by Bchemist: [Q]By vets, I mean the guys who have hundreds of posts via bumping, flaming, agreeing, parrotting, etc. It's rediculous...And the newbie sees how "experienced" they are, and takes their advice to heart.[/Q] [Q]I like to think that I chose this lifestyle because I am bettering myself and those around me. I do it responsibly and I try to guide others to do the same.[/Q] [Q]I do not appreciate the company of thieves and thugs.[/Q] Excellent comments, I like the way you think brother. I have these exact thoughts myself during daily reads and I often wonder how many guy's fail to discern the difference between "true vets" and the "shit-house lawyers" doling out advice (of course, I'll probably get flamed for this reply). Later, | ||
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Novice 
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"And the newbie sees how "experienced" they are, and takes their advice to heart. And the worst part is that many of these "experts" have never even cycled, yet they advocate 1000mg of sust per week stacked with anadrol for a first timer! I will not hesitate to put a stop to this crap. "
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 95 |
the only persons i have ever flamed in here are the persons who have flamed others for no good reason. so if you go full circle on this, i think it really comes down to no flaming. if idiots in here would be considerate of everyone else, there wouldn't be a need for flaming i do believe. this is supposed to be a place where you can make friends and give/receive sound advice on a topic that is SOOO taboo for the nonlifting world. you want to get into a fight??? why don't you go to jerryspringer.com and spare us looking for quality time. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 85 |
Twisted.... for once you and I agree whole heartedly. I just got through posting this same idea under another topic. The flame as it has come to known is the only form of reprimand on this board. This is a family of illegal drug users lets face it. Those wanting in have to conduct themselves with common sense. If they don't they put us all at risk including themselves. Moderators can delete the posts, but lets face it thats it. A good flame job will last a long time. As an experiment try this. Post yourself as a dealer when the mods delete your post write down how you feel. Then do it again, and when the board sends you packing with half your ass chewed off tell me which one will you remember and which one will make a better example to all the other newbies thinking of posting themselves.. JJ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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iam the one who made the arsin remerk and iam also the one who the lot of posts not enough experience aplies to, remember iam here 8 hours a day durring the week, cause thats what i get payed for is sit here and get some knowledge | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 399 |
twisted, good post bro, bbman just a little long winded bro. i said this before and i'll say it again, i don't flame anyone for a stupid question, but for stupidity..absolutely!! luvs is the perfect example, this kid would not know a serious question if you told it to him.the kid who stuck a needle in his asshole...flame him!!!!!that is stupidity pure and simple there is no being nice to that, there morons and it is our responsibility to tell them so.there are a lot of very educated people on this board, if you look for a while before you just jump in with a dumb question you will probably get an answer without ever having to ask the question..just my 2 cents.......peace ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 65 |
i'm still basically a newbie so to speak.i only have one cycle under my belt.i asked a question a while ago about what is the difference between a cc and a ml.i got flamed like a mother fu#ker.there were some cool bro's out there that explained politely that they are the same thing,but the majority were just flames and they didn't tell me the answer.you might think i'm just stupid or something but where i live everything is mg per ml and my pins are in ml's.i didnt need any help with figuring out doses i was just wondering what a cc was since i have never seen it personnaly.my point is that you dont know the persons situation.if they are asking a question its because they dont know the answer.everybody can jump on the bandwagon and talk shit,but from that expierience,i pretty much stick to other boards now because of the "wannabe's and know it alls" who try to up there rating by posting and flaming.no disrespect to those of you who are knowlegdable but a simple quick answer would have saved time and board space.we all have started as a "newbie" so keep that mind.i didn't learn because i got flamed.i learned because someone helped me out.i think flaming is just disrespectfull and rude.in my opinion the only people who should get flamed are the ones who post for sources.and besides you honestly dont know the people your flaming.i have seen some of the pics from some of the people who flamed me,and they are alot smaller than i am. | ||
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Moderator
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EXCELLENT POST!!! Flaming is what it is...A FORCED LEARNING TOOL....It should not be an attack on integerity, or personality...but, then again...sometimes ya just gotta do it!!! heh heh heh...well said posts on both sides of the coin, I for 1, will think a little more before striking the match!!! ------------------ Ranger | ||
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Novice
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thanks to all posted here. I am a newbie in the sense that I havent posted much but I am here for hours every day reading and trying to expand my knowledge based on your experiences. I agree that some flaming is necessary, if I put something stupid up I think I need to know about it. How you express yourself is up to you, but I dont take it personal. There is also some responsibility you vets have to the newbies though. This is basically an open forum and there are a lot of young impressionable "kids" reading this material. This is very serious in nature and should be addressed accordingly. I agree that if someone posts something totally absurd they should hear about it so the other newbies can learn from others examples. I read the repost of the "rules" the other day and replied that I appreciated that because I was not aware of the search or gp. Now that post is back at the bottom. If the mods can, that post should be bumped up every day or automatically called on registering by newcomers. Maybe, you should ignore the dum posts. Who is going to read a post with 0 replies? Knee_pads: sorry to hear about the virus, that was B.S. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
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I want to echo 1911's praise of BChemist's remarks. Very well put, BChemist. My thoughts exactly, everyday, but you expressed them better than I could have. This has turned out to be a pretty good thread, drawing out a lot of the more thoughtful brothers. Bjaarki | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 253 |
The good thing about this board is that there is a good mixture of people, some who like to flame and others who just answer the question. I usually just answer the question if I have had experience in the area of the question being asked. I usually save my creativity for the chat board. Some of the flames are very funny and add some character to the board. the most important thing is that the person who asked the stupid question walks away knowing why the question was stupid and is in a better position to achieve their goals. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 112 |
Ya! I noticed that too. I do tend to be long winded. Must be the gear. I'll shut up now. peace. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 128 |
bump the shizit out of this one | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 479 |
While I tend to agree that when its warranted a flame is in order, please remember that the person being flamed could be a hacker, or a fed. The last thing I think anyone would want is to find our board gone, or all the vets getting virus' because somebody couldn't exercise a little restraint. Please remember that next time the urge strikes you, its happened before and will probably happen again. I for one wouldn't want to be the cause of something like that. I still think the answer to a newbies' over asked question is a reminder to use the search, and a quick answer, than let the thread die out. Instead we usually keep that thread on top for a couple days while everyone who wants to pad their post total has at it. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 221 |
It's not personal it reality learn the rule is what I first read and then waited 3mths of just reading so flame them all if the go over the line ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 335 |
Wow...did I miss some fun or what.....If a good Flame is what it takes then so be it........BUT flame with some compasion. Is that possible? Love you guys Chef ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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WELL I WOULD SAY IF SOMEONE POST.... GEAR FOR SALE FULL FLAME.... ANYTHING ABOUT SOMEONES GENDER RELIGION RACE.CET.... FULL FLAME...... NEWBIE CAN I GET HELP TO ODER GEAR......PLEASE KEEP IN MIND SOME OF USE WER THERE AT ONE TIME.... BIZ MOD OK I AM A MOD AM I A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD WITH ABILITY TO DELETE POST AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT I AM JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD...I DO NOT USE OR EXCERCISE MY MOD POWRS....BLUE COLLAR WORKER HERE AND I WOULD STICK MY NECK OUT AN SAY THE SAMW FOR THE REST OF THE MODS...WE JUST WANT PEACE AND RESPECT AMONGS US!! THIS IS OUR HOMES GUY'S LET'S KEEP IT CLEAN!!! BIZ!! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 528 |
FUCK ALL OF YOU!!!! YOUR ALL FUCKING ASSHOLES!!!!! Your right, that does make you feel all warm and cozy inside. See flaming isn't so bad after all. Go ahead guys, try it...it's open flame thread. hahahahaha...just keepin' it fun! Peace! ------------------ |
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posted September 08, 2000 10:11 AM
