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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 332 |
Well basically this is in response to one of the threads regarding one of our members going to get his test levels checked and having low enough levels to require replacement therapy. Well I've had problems the last 4 of so months in regards to my sexual desire, excitation, erection capabilities and ejaculation. They have gone to shit. Heres the deal. I told my parents I think I should get my test levels checked, but wouldnt say why. I had met my dad about an hour ago from college to get my car back and told him then. It was difficult telling him why I wanted one done, it was very belittling and embarrassing. My dad is a cardiovascular surgeon, so when he tells me something, whether I like it or not, gotta at least take it to heart. He told me that throughout history and what has been observed that bodybuilders have been known to have 'problems' and underdeveloped equipement. Sure I believe that to a certain extent. He goes on to tell me that the physiological actions that extreme and prolonged exercise have on the body will result in a deficiency and lack of hormones such as testosterone. Look at women athletes such as long distance runners for example. They have underdeveloped breasts (we all know that), and have irregular menstrual cycles. Some cannot even have children sometimes. As for males who lift hard and bodybuild, suppossedly it lowers and stresses our hormones, not only test, but others as well. He offers a solution to the problem, which I dont want to accept: lower the capacity of work you do on a weekly basis, say 2-3 days a week. I only go 4 days a week, and I work out hard as hell and like an animal when I go. I dont go to fuck around. He compliments me on my physique and how far I've come and tells me 2-3 days wouldnt hurt, I could still maintain. Maintain?? I dont want to maintain, I go to grow and surpass what Ive already accomplished. Basically he doesnt think getting a test done is the way to go, and getting therapy isnt either. It is what I do (most likely he says) that is affecting my hormones and that I should lower my capacity and see what happens. If my symptoms are still there, maybe we will consider. Well that isnt an option for me, I love how far I've come, the way I feel about myself, I love the gym and the time I spend in it, I love every aspect of what I do. And my dad is telling me I need to cut back? I cant do that. AHHHH, my brain hurts, I'm suffering here pshcologically. I cant cut back on what I'm doing, but I cant have a shitty, subpar dick for the rest of my life. If bodybuilding is negatively effecting my test levels, would it be benifical to go on hormone therapy for most of my life, even though I know it is because of my lifestyle? I'm about to go crazy here, maybe I'll just cry. anyone else in the same boat, I mean shitty sexual ability, whether you knew why or not?     | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 697 |
Wow that's tough bro. I don't know what to say here because I don't want to bash your father but he doesn't understand what you're doing or why your doing it. Your erection problem could be any number of things and this stress is not going to take this in the right direction. I suggest you go ahead with your plans to see someone about it and let your dad know after it's over what happened. E-mail me if you want my doctors number this is what he does. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
Ulter- I would do that but since I'm in college and dont have the money to spend on a docs visit and a test to check my test levels, I dont see how I can do that. | ||
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Moderator 
Posts: 3882 |
I don't know where your father got his information from. Working out will increase your test levels and your gh level. There have been many studies that show this. Now overtraining will deplete your test level. Working out 4 days a week for me is the key. 4 days a week is great, i get tons of rest, let my CNS have time off and i give myself ample amounts of time to recover. I don't think you're overtraining unless you're in there for hours at a time. Now those long distance female runners with no breasts and no menstral cycles?? It's all caused by low body fat. When a woman lowers he body fat below ~10%, they of course lose thier breasts which are mainly fat(in most women not all) and they stop menstrating. Why? To put it simply because their body thinks they're starving, that they're not receiving enough nutrition. Their body thinks they'll be unable to support the nutritional needs of a baby, and thus they stop menstrating making it impossible for them to get pregnant. Hope that helped. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 101 |
Relax and get your bloodwork done before you make any lifestyle decisions. A dude who works for me (who btw had a shitty doctor) got his test up by takin' zinc. Try to address possible reasons that you test is low rather than trying to replace at least at first. The test replacement regimen your doctor will put you on won't be the same as what dudes around here are takin. On the other hand, I guess some juicers stay on year round and their nuts don't permanently quit so who knows? Don't sweat it man. See a good Dr. and straighten it out. zeke_b | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 697 |
Hang tight this is still doable... I'm sure. I gotta talk OTB I'll email you. It'd be great if you could get your dad to sit down with E2 for an hour.  | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
Damn thanks E2, that made me feel alot better. See I thought the weight training and such would increase your test and gh levels. Thats why I didnt understand why he was telling me this, I guess I just wanted to hear an answer to alieviate my worring. And very true and the women, never thought about why they had fucked up cycles and inabilities to have babies. See thats the thing, my parents dont and havent understood what I do and why I do it. They never will. All their thoughts are negative about what I do, so I guess what they advise me on will be on a biased note. There must be some other cause. Maybe I really do have low test levels but not because of my bodybuilding and do need replacement therapy. Also this my be a reason, I rememeber distinctly that my problems began immediately when I started a certain supplement and hasnt gone away since. I took Decavar by Lipoject Technologies, which contain high levels of NorAndros. I remember banging this girl last year at school, drunk as piss, not being able to get off, and blaming it on the Decavar. HMMM? What would I do if that is the case, which I have had a premonition the whole time. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
Good info E2. I know from personal experience that hard workouts lower the ole drive. I suspect that these studies showing higher levels of test with weight training use sedentary college students, who did nothing before and probably didn't bust their asses too hard after. I bet the highest levels of free test (just guessing from personal feel here) occur from workin out a couple times a week. Anyone else agree with me on this one? BTW I'm not saying this is the best for building muscle.
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
that sounds very legitimate Zekeb. I will get back with you guys, I gotta run to my friends place. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 89 |
That E2 dude gave you some correct info. A woman won't bleed because her low bodyfat levels are telling her body to preserve her life and don't worry about "non life threatening functions, ie reproduction". Female competitive bodybuilders may not have a period for several months or more at a time. This is why I married one. hee hee And that's the bottom line. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 65 |
I've got to second E2's advice. Numerous studies have shown that resistance training induces testosterone and gh production. The drop may be due to overtraining which your father is suggesting. 4 or maybe 5 days in the gym will still allow you to make gains because of the more frequent periods of rest and recuperation, which will just allow you to go all that much more harder the next time you're in the gym. Remember, what your father is suggesting is treating the cause of the problem, not the symptoms (a more permanent solution). Otherwise, you may be dependant on hormone replacement therapy for a good portion of your life. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
no, I know I'm not overtraining by any means. I make that one of the number one pitfalls to watch out for. I probably overtrained for the first year then wised up and now only train 4 days a week, each bodypart only once every 7th day. I get plenty of recuperation and my diet helps me to recover. well anyways I really appreciate all of you guys very helpful and reasuring advice, but it damn well past time for me to go to bed, so I wi...zzz,zzz | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 88 |
Your in college so you have no cash?......but your dads a vascular surgeon? What he dont help out (must only be making 175-225 thousand a year)?? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
thats only if I go and get it done without his knowledge, I have to pay for it. I dont get a free ride here, I've gotta pay rent, food, books and supplies, all my supplements, and whatever else I feel like throwing my money away at. zzz for real | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 148 |
Do you have health insurance through your school? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 359 |
Clemdog: Sorry to hear about your troubles. The bros are giving you quality information. Once again, E2 comes through with straight talk. My only question is "Why do you think your endogenous test levels are low?" You sound like a young guy, so you have to learn that yopur most important sex organ is between your ears, not your legs. There are a million reasons, all of them psychological, some of them perhaps related to gear but more psychological IMO, that you're not up to snuff in the sack. Relax about it, man. This idea of getting your test level checked sound like going off half cocked (no pun intended). Bjaarki | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 104 |
I am assuming that you are a juicer. The opinion and advice that your dad gave you is minus that fact. It is not uncommon to have low natural test levels for a juicer. The symptoms you are describing are synomynous with roid effects. I am also assuming that you are taking a break between cycles. How long of a break? I think that your dad is correct as far as not needing hormone replacement threrapy right now, until all other possibles have been ruled out. You might just need a break from the juice and do a workout just to maintain for a few or six months. You are still young and got lots of time ahead of you. You remind me of an article I read called Bigerexia. Basically, bb can get you into a trap when all you see is how small you are and not see how big you are. I know that many times I fall into this same trap. I get so impatient about my size and the possiblity to overtrain myself or do something that will cause injury is so very much right beside me. When I look in the mirror sometimes I see too skinny or not big enough. This can possibly lead me to a place of where I become addicted to the game of huge at any cost. Now I don't know about you. But hopefully, this will help you to give the whole thing some thought. That is where I go sometimes in my training. You are probably a big dude right now as it is and maybe just need a long deserved break. Of course, this coming from someone who has only been in the game for a couple of years. But before that I was a runner and I would sometimes overdo it with the running. I just have to always keep balance in mind. Especially with this new found hobby. Peace bro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
Even though your dad is an MD, The info E2 gave you is much more accurate than what your dad said and there is plenty of documentation out there to back it up. If I were you Id have my PCP refer me to a urologist if its a physical problem but, often times libido is in the mind(stress plays a huge role) Good Luck, The Freak | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 899 |
Ohh buddy, yet another example of members of the medical community who suddenly become experts on bodybuilding pharmacology and exercise physiology. The statement that "prolonged activity" yields to a reduction in hormone balance is absolutely false. Resistance training, not only stiumulates temporary increases in testosterone and GH, by design and with time as primary evidence, "prolonged athletic activity" only strengthens and fortifies the body. Long distance runners, come on, there appearance has to do with a fundamental lack of body fat. Nothing more! Your father is using his professional position to justify his concern over a son who's has devoted, what in his opinion amounts to an inordinant amount of time placed in the pursuit of physical embetterment. My aunt, a retired physician from Cuba, is insulted by my "obsession" with perfecting my body. She only see the advancment of the mind as a worthwhile virtue ------------------ [This message has been edited by Twisted_Steel (edited September 08, 2000).]  | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 682 |
I'd give proviron a shot if you haven't already. Good luck. Green |
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posted September 07, 2000 10:22 PM
