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Cool Novice 
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hey 2thick can you make me a reasonable deca and primo cycle. wanna gain like 15 lbs. i thought this would be a good first cycle with no sides. thanx man.     | ||
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Moderator 
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Okay, you can gain 15 pounds with just deca, but using primo is a good idea. Deca****Primo****Clomid ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 343 |
Well i'm not 2Thick, but heres what i would do. Cycle should last atlease 8weeks. DECA 300mg-400mg. Primo 200mg-300mg. But this is your first time, so you can proberly keep dosages around 300mg-200mg for both, and still make good gains. Lets see what 2thick has to say late..... Okay, i was close.....lol...... [This message has been edited by bsjohnson (edited September 06, 2000).]  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
Posts: 138 |
2Thick, Why pyramid the deca instead of starting high and tapering down? I'm just curious. Thanks | ||
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Moderator
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I find that when you pyramid the Deca, you get even and steady gains and you avoid the sudden start and stop that may freak your body out and give you the dreaded "Deca Dick". This is a theory of mine and my evidence comes from looking at the cycles of people who say they get "Deca Dick" versus the cycles of people that do not get "Deca Dick" (like myself who's libido actually increases during a deca-only cycle). ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 138 |
I just take deca dick as a given. Maybe I'll try that idea, instead. Thanks | ||
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Moderator
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Ok 2Thick, honestly have you seen someone gain 15 lbs of muscle off that cycle?? Seriously, i'm interested, you always prescribe these cycles that i think are incredibly light. HAve you actually seem a 15 lbs gain off a cycle like this??? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 343 |
LOL>.... Here we go again....LMAO..... | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 647 |
bsjohnson..stole the words right out of my mouth..lol | ||
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Moderator
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E2, I respect your point of view on cycles but I think they should be for advanced athletes (and not for beginners). With the cycle I have proposed, you will have to concentrate hard on diet, training and rest to get your 15 pounds. With your cycle, they can get lazy and make good gains. It is a way of weeding out the non-dedicated. I will try one of your cycles in the future, but only after my cycles stop giving me satisfactory gains. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Its a little light in the loafers with respect to needed androgens. Damn, if that cycle wouldn't be perfect for the novice if a bit of testosterone were to be incoorporated. Hell in the spirit of modesty, why not include an ampule of sustanon every five days. That way potential complexity of pyramiding can be removed. Just a thought. ------------------ | ||
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Moderator
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E2, this it to answer your question. I have gained 18 pounds on a Deca-only cycle (like above without the Primo). A few people who try it and stick to their diet gain and keep around 12-15 pounds. ------------------ http://2thick.elitefitness.com | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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You guys really cant dismiss the genetics in this equation. Not every great physique is fueled by the "Captain Insano". 2Thick has got a valid point, he may be one of the few that do well off lower amounts of juice. Im gratefull Im the same way. I dont think I have the diligence to mananage some of the cycles seen on this forum. I would need a freakin spreadsheet just to keep track of my injections.  ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 343 |
Well i see both of y'all points. Personally, i do good on low dosages. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 411 |
I gotta side with 2thick- I think gaining 15lbs on that cycle is not unreasonable. If you eat like a mofo, train hard, sleep- the size will come. 2thick, you made a good point about working these cycles until the gains are lagging behind. When that time comes, up the dosages... [This message has been edited by Sittin' On Diesel (edited September 07, 2000).] | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 283 |
I have to agree with 2Thick I allways go lite and I gain more than anybody I know. Example: Last cycle 250mg of omna. For 8 weeks I gainned 22lbs. And kept all of it no watter weight at all I actually lost alot of bf. I am a seasoned athelete and feel that the high dosses only hurt me when it comes to my physical well being. ------------------ | ||
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Freak 
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H20 - you said you tried heavy cycles before? How long of a wait after the heavy cycle before you hit up one of your light cycles. I have always thought that you cane asily bump the doses up to get better results, but after bumping them up its hard as hell to get good results if you scoot them down. Also how many cycles have you done? I am curious.. Slopain | ||
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Cool Novice
Posts: 37 |
i think everyone is missing a BIG point here... i only weigh 175 lbs. AND ive never done a cycle before this will be my first one. i think i can easily gain 15 lbs on deca alone. im not up there with some of you 250 pounders, its gonna take a lot less juice to get through my body and do what it needs to. i have a slender build at 6' i think no matter what my dosages are im gonna get BIG results. and thanks alot 2thick and everyone else for the cycle advise. much appretiated. hey by the way do i even NEED the primo?... | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 313 |
This thread is filled with very knowledgable opinions from people who speak from experiance. As somebody who's saving up for a cycle it sure does get confusing. If I went 2thicks route, I could order the shit now. But if I want the omna, and lots of it, it'll be a while.
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Pro Bodybuilder
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Okay, thought of something else I had to put up on here. 2Thick has a very good point in mentioning that a great diet and sleep pattern are essential to get 15lbs. out of that cycle. If you all remember(how could we forget?) SSMan's Captain-Insano cycle of Sust/Eq/Reforvit, the doses were moderate to high and he fallowed a great eating plan. And he got something like 55lbs. from it. So I think if an experianced juicer can get 55lbs. from what SSMan took a novice with virgin receptors can deffinately gain 15-20lbs off of one of 2Thicks cycles if they put some effort into diet and rest. However, 15-20lbs. is good, but I may want more, so might a lot of other guys. I'm still totally unable to decide wich side I'm on in this debate. Later ------------------ | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 161 |
Here is my opinion...I too agree with 2thick. I am just finishing this exact cycle with Deca only. I also pyramided the Deca up and down and I never got D-Dick. Actually, I also got more sex drive! Anyways, start low and see how your body reacts. I didn't eat like crazy but I upped the protien and ate 6 times a day. I just finish my last shot (8th week) and already I've gained 10lbs. I have lost fat too, so?? I will know better once I get my BF tested again. I do have a question for 2thick though...Are you saying only 2 weeks of Clomid, the 10th and 11th week? Thanks, Jay | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 384 |
To add my short expereince. I am on almost the exact cycle 2THick posted above (Thanks 2THicK). I will say this... I am in week seven and have gained about ten solid pounds...It could have been more but my diet slacks on the W/E some times (not getting enough to eat) The gains show more in the mirror than the scale. Water retention was/is very low..if at all...I have been taking Clomid through out the cycle even though it is not really necessary. From a newbie perspective I must admit I may have expected something different. But not to say I am dissapointed. I believe most non-competing BBs or the average lifting joe is looking of the gains E2 describes... On a side note, My strength has gone up but I did not give my tendons equal time...lifting heavy weight just because you can is not always a good idea (I know the vets know this...for other newbies)I am 34. It really does come down to consistent diet and training.. I will probably try Test on my next at a low dosage with dbol..... I do not disagree with anyone...I get a balance of information from both sides of the fence..
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posted September 06, 2000 11:27 PM
