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 1-4 Butanediol is the shit
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Amateur Bodybuilder 
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I love the stuff it basically cured my alcoholism and has helped me lose a shit load of weight(not drinkin beer every night is good for the BF%). But it seems like it must be too good to be true. When used properly i have read nothing but good things about it, other than the rep as a dape rape drug etc...I have researched it quite extensively and have only found positive things. Has anyone had any bad experiences with it or read anything about its long term side effects that aren't common knowledge??? Any info would be appreciated.     | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder 
Posts: 365 |
Did you get a prescription for it? If so what did you say to the doctor to convince him?  | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 59 |
1-4 Butanediol is an industrial chemical used in making deck stripper and nail polish remover etc... But when ingested it is relatively untoxic and is a precursor to GHB. Gives ya a kickin buzz and increases natural GH levels slightly. | ||
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Novice 
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Make sure you know the proper dose for your body weight. If you take too much, you'll be a walking zombie for 4 hours. I had the unfortunate problem of not feeling the buzz, so I decided to take a little more, and then a little more, until I was sitting behind the wheel of my parked car kicking at the brake pad while my girlfriend was smacking my unresponsive face because I was so wigged out. Also, watch who you distribute it too. Someone I know is facing up to 40 years behind bars because he knowingly gave it to some girl, who asked for it, at a bar. Be careful with that stuff! It's a great substance if used properly. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder 
Posts: 1293 |
Yep, good stuff. I have to get me some more "nail polish remover" soon. Heh heh heh! | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
ok, we are talking about 1,4 butanediol, correct? Not to be confused with GHB? I have asked so many times about 1,4 but never have gotten any answerers to my questions. What I've mainly been wondering is if you can take it straight, in its raw form? Straight out of the bottle it came in to strip paint? Is it as safe as GHB and is it as effective? I'm at college and also want an alcohol substitute to keep me from drinking so much. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1293 |
As far as I know, you can take it straight out of the bottle. But the taste is so incredibly bad that I would never do that. I always mix mine with a couple ounces of cranberry juice. Makes it go down much, much easier. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
what are the moderate, average doses? How long does the buzz last typically? Man after this weekend I felt like complete, absolute shit from drinking so much. It was a football weekend here at my school, and I ended up drinking thur, fri, sat(morning and night), and sun. I felt horrible, fat, flat and deflated, and here I am trying to improve my physique and build myself up. Any help with this 1,4 who knows about it or has experience I would greatly appreciate it! | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1293 |
It depends on where you get it from and how strong it is. I am also considering using it instead of alcohol but when everyone else is drinking beer and standing around the bar with a beer in their hands, it is hard for me to keep from doing the same. My main worry is that once the 1,4 hits me, I will be too messed up to stop myself from drinking and I definitely don't want to mix them. [This message has been edited by Maverik (edited September 06, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 670 |
try 3ml at first. wait at least an hour before increasing dosage. it takes a little longer than ghb or gbl due to the conversion process. i'd say it is 70% as potent as gbl (by volume assuming purity) The effects also last longer than ghb or gbl due to the conversion rates... Puc | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
cant you get 1,4 legally here in the US? BTW that is also what worries me, not drinking or having a beer in my hands when everyone else does. I've heard these compounds including GHB inhibit your ability to think clearly and soundly, I dont want to be grabbing beers and chugging them after I take 1,4. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 804 |
fuck i need some nail polish remover for my old lady??? any stores that sell it ?? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 332 |
I swear I just saw on the net a few weeks ago where you could buy it, I'll have to go looking around. Call some chem supply stores around your town, they may carry it. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1293 |
No it is no longer legal in the U.S. However some people are still selling it by putting a different name on it like "nail polish remover". I wish I could get some but I don't know of anyone that sells it for a good price. [This message has been edited by Maverik (edited September 06, 2000).] | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 804 |
maverik come on, no seriously a friend of mine uses it and swears it helps him stay leaner, any truth to this ??? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1293 |
Yes, from my experience it does help me stay a little bit leaner, probably due to the fact that it elevates GH release just like GHB does. I took it the last time I was on a cutting cycle. This time I am on a stronger cutting cycle stacking t3, clen, and ECA and I think my results were almost as good as when I was just doing clen and 1,4. Maybe it's just coincidence because I don't know of any real data to back this up, but in my experience, I think it helped me stay leaner. One reason was probably because it gave me a buzz and knocked me out so I didn't need any beer or pot to help me go to sleep. And both of those can contribute to fat gain, the latter by way of the munchies. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 442 |
how are some of you guys still in the dark on this???the govt. even knows whats up now. hell yeah it keeps you leaner it throws off your electrolytes and keeps your water retention way down, ever take alot for to long of duration and wonder why your joints hurt a little bit---just ease up for a day or so from g and your fine again. i agree 100% w/ maverick on mixing it w/ a couple shots of another liquid---not so much b/c the taste, but b/c it doesnt tear up your stomach as much--for me that means: not g'ing out and throwing up, no sour stomach, not getting rushed all at once by the amount you took, and not getting those god awful gas pains i use to get the next morning. oh and thats how i stayed shredded when all of a sudden a quick solid 15lbs was put on from 750mg/susto and 400mg/eq. im@LRG im@LRG | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 804 |
so where do i get the polish remower?? | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1293 |
Thanks @LRG, I didn't know it kept water retention down. | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1293 |
You have to get it from your source. [This message has been edited by Maverik (edited September 06, 2000).] | ||
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Novice
Posts: 10 |
the last experience i had was with verve, but i don't remember what the substance was. I know that it was somewhat like ghb without the sodium. it also had vitamin c to help the stimulation. however, it was marketed as a cleaner. my source stopped selling it (he was selling it for $120 a bottle). does anyone out there know of any new products on the market like verve? | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 590 |
to my knowledge all the "legal" stuff sold on the net right now is just EXPENSIVE benadryl..... ------------------ | ||
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Cool Novice 
Posts: 31 |
Guys please be careful if you plan to use GBL longterm. GBL is rather harsh on the kidneys and liver, prolonged multiple daily sessions can lead to perm. damage. I have a friend right now who started with Furanone products like Invigorate, Jolt, NRG, Verve etc, then went to straight GBL and has been having serious problems with his kidneys. A lot of people complain after a hard night of G'ing that there lower back is tight or somewhat sore. This is because GBL irriates your bodys mucus membranes, along with that your kidneys and liver. GHB however is a somewhat easier load on the mucus membrances and liver. The liver does not need to convert the GBL into GHB, process is already done. It is still however a somewhat harsh load on the kidneys due to the sodium content of GHB.. so drink lots of water after downing the real deal. If anyone has any questions feel free to email me. Da GmAn | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
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Had to do a little editing there. Too many e-mails. Heh heh heh. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 177 |
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
1,4 Butanediol, Man I would stay as far away as possible from that FUCKING garbage. That shit is CARCINOGENIC to humans. Do yourself a favor and stay away from 1,4. If you wanna get that feeling stick with the real stuff. Read this study that was done on rats: AUTH: Jedrychowski RA; Stetkiewicz J; Stetkiewicz I | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
Gman: Yes there is alot of sodium in G but you can take potassium pills to even things out. NVR: That shit is useless unless you want to clean floors with it. It is not made for human consumption. I made the mistake of taking that shit once and I broke out in fucking hives. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 97 |
I personally wouldn't recommed GBL, but if you don't have access to GHB then it may be useful. GHB is metabolized so effeiciently by your system that it leaves absolutly NO toxic residue whatsoever! Mix it with an acidic drink such as pink grapefruit juice if you are going to take GBL. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 59 |
Freakmonster 1-4 is quality shit if you get it from the right places. You must be acutely allergic to it if ya broke out in hives. I have done it manymany times and have never had and allergic type reactions. And for it not being meant for human consumption............................................................................................................................Have you ever used a VETERNARY steroid???  Rojo | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 195 |
is this the correct full name of it? and does it come liquid or powder? i think i found it on the net in a powder form. 500gms for $15.00 BUTANEDIOL 1,4 DIGLYCIDYL ETH thanks all | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
Rojo: Yes I have used Vet. steroids before but you cannot compare the two. You are comparing apples to oranges. With 1,4 you are putting a chemical in your body that needs to pass through your liver to be converted to GHB which is naturally occuring in your body. I know many people that have used 1,4 and have not gotten good reactions from it (throwing up, upset stomach, hives, red eyes, etc.) If your gonna do it stick with the real deal or get some Nitro. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
Here is an explanation of the applications for 1,4: http://www.basf.com/businesses/chemicals/diols/html/bdo.html Potential Health Effects Inhalation: Also GBL/Nitro can be very addicting. My roommate is completely addicted to it and has a hard time kicking the habit. Some people have said it is more addicting than heroin. It has totally fucked up his life and I know of a couple other friends that are extremely addictive to it. I'm not saying that if you take it your gonna become addicted but this stuff CAN BECOME very addictive. ------------------ | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1293 |
I took it for several months and never becam addicted to it. Granted, I couldn't sleep as well anymore but I definitely didn't get addicted. My assumption was that GHB was much more addictive than 1,4. | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 442 |
so what people get addicted to all kinds of shit including steroids. its called self-will dont take it long enuff or to much to were you feel dependent on it and use your head to get off before you are addicted, ive taken much g in time, but never feel the need to go searching on a mission for it when i dont have it, if more comes around--and i feel like getting some cool if not, not. control your life thats what its there for! im@LRG | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 360 |
Man, this is a very strange thread! I never heard of this shit before. 1-4 Butanediol, hunh? I'm a little concerned about all the drinking I'm hearing about, the use of this substance as a "cure for alcoholism" and all. Sounds like pretty thin ice, my friends. I wish somebody would do a good lit search and publish a decent, informative thread on this stuff. Be well. Stay at least semi-sober, hunh? Bjaarki ------------------ BECOME SOMEONE'S HERO! | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 235 |
I have'nt ever tried that before, but if it's similar to GHB than you can have alot of fun with no negative side effects. Enjoy | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
LRG how can you compare addiction to steroids to GBL/GHB. GBL can ruin your life if your addicted to it. I've seen it first hand. My roommate has been in bad shape and almost died a couple times. It's a scary site. I'm not saying it's a common thing but when this stuff gets a hold of you it's real tough to quit. The only way to quit an addiction to this stuff is to stay awake for a full week. One of the main reasons he was addicted to it though was because he was depressed and GHB/GBL raises your dopamine levels thus giving you that good feeling. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
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quote: FreakMonster I know you are just looking out for everyone but you are wrong. In the early stages of testing 1,4 was believed to be carcinogenic, however several lab tests have confirmed that is not. The study you posted had to do with lab animals. This in my opinion does not give enough evidence to support you statement "That shit is CARCINOGENIC to humans". If anyone would like to see the material safety data sheet for it you can go to: http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/GHB/1_4-butanediol.msds -DieHuge | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 132 |
Whatever you say DieHuge. It's your body not mine. | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 177 |
FREAK---I DONT FUCK WITH THAT SHIT. I KNOW WHAT IT CAN DO. THE LAB I WORK AT DEALS WITH A LOT OF SHIT LIKE THAT. ETHER, MDI, TDI, ANILINE OIL, ETC., ETC.. I LEAVE THE "G" ALONE ALSO. NO TELLING WHAT IS IN TAHT SHIT THESE DAYS. ITS MADE IN CELLAR LABS AND CAN KILL YOU. THAT SHIT HAS CAUSTIC IN IT ALSO. FUCK THAT---CAUSTIC BURNT MY SKIN LIKE A MUTHAFUCKA SO I KNOW WHAT IT WILL DO TO MY INSIDES.......... ------------------ | ||
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Pro Bodybuilder
Posts: 442 |
freak who says i dont know first hand, one of my best friends left six days ago for a 6 month ghb-boot camp rehab, before getting sentenced for some hard time. it ruined his life, so please dont think you know any better than anyone else. as about getting addicted i was using that as a genral overview. ever heard of "different strokes, for different folks." im@LRG | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 101 |
Was the hard-time for posessing GHB?? If so, I would say the law ruined his life. Not a flame, man just askin'. You can't beat the thousands of years of history of alcohol. Everyone knows exactly what that does. I wouldn't try any new rec drugs for at least that long | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 59 |
Freak i've seen the same study that diehuge is talkin about and i don't remeber the exact date but it was more recently then 1990. The conclusion was that 1-4 is not carcinogenic and the analysis of the liver and kidney tissue also did not mention any other damage i.e. no tissue damage of a none carcinogenic nature. Which leads to the inference that 1-4 does not adversely affect liver or kidney tissue. Damn this thread is old but still flamin Despite the differences in opinion i really appreciate the good info posted by both sides on the matter.Rojo | ||
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Amateur Bodybuilder
Posts: 142 |
Dudes I used the original Serenity, but don't know about the no. 2 kind. the first was really kick ass, considering the source. http://stores.yahoo.com/blakek2/solwat32ser.html | ||
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Elite Bodybuilder
Posts: 1293 |
Yep this the most informative thread I have read on 1,4. I have learned from this post. Come on guys, anyone got any more info on this, speak up. Bchemist, anything to add? |
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posted September 06, 2000 02:07 AM